• Peehole@piefed.social
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        Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.

        That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.

        • Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world
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          Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.

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            Argentina and Brazil are colonial entities? Please elaborate, haven’t heard before.

            Edit: How the hell do people deal with Israel given its Samson option??

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                Ah so the people there are still ethnically brazillian/argentinian right? i.e. the people are indigenous themselves, just not the rulers? or are the majority of people of european descent too?

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                  Brazil

                  Majority of people are either pardo (mixed white/black/indigenous) or white indigenous population is less than 1%). First mixed race president was in 1909.

                  Argentina

                  80ish% European descent 16% indigenous

                  Also it’s worth pointing out that both countries speak European languages and are majority Catholic.

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                    Yeah hadn’t realized the spanish/portuguese thing, assumed indigenous folk spoke it but I realize it’s usually some different native thing.

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          What choice is there?

          The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.

          To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.

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            Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.

            A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.

            It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.

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              “The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says

              Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.

              Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.

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                So look at Rhodesia to Zimbabwe, if you want a new state that arose from the destruction of the settler-colonist state prior.

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            Yes, but only one of the two is happening irl, the other one is a hypothetical.

            Also hippies protested more in the USA against Vietnam killings. I’m not sure what options they have in Israel, but I never heard about mass opposition to what their country & taxes are doing.

            And the people do bare some responsibly for what their country is doing - it’s more than just participating in a society to survive when you are living well & not in a warzone.

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              There ARE massive protests in Israel about this specific topic. It just doesn’t make the news for obvious reasons, kinda like the absolutely gigantic protests here in the US don’t make the news.

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              For you to say “I want to eradicate this people” is not nuanced based on which people are currently being eradicated. It’s just a stupid and hateful opinion.