• Kalon@feddit.online
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          3 days ago

          At some point I would like a president with experience being a competent statesman rather than a TV personality.

          As much as I do like Stephen.

          • BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca
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            3 days ago

            Yeah people bring this up with Jon Stewart a lot too, but we shouldn’t be trusting TV personalities. I know that elections have devolved into popularity contests so these guys have a huge head start, but it takes a very specific type of personality to get into showbiz stardom like that and I don’t see them turning around to be actual good statesmen. I know Zelenskyy gets a lot of props for being a comedian turned incredible wartime leader, but those are… extenuating circumstances. Would have been very interested to see what he would have done as a peacetime leader.

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              There’s also Al Franken, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, Jesse Ventura.

              There have actually been a lot of entertainers who turned politician.

              I’ll just skip right past that president from the 80s…

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                Edit: I buried the lede. I’m not a fan of throwing inexperienced celebrities/personalities into presidency, but there’s merit to having entertainers step into political positions. Good entertainers feel the pulse of their audience, determine what they want, and adapt to provide that. In politics, that sounds like being a spineless flip flop, but I doubt anyone would say that was the characteristic of Robin Williams’ performances or Jon Stewart’s work. They both chose to provide a benefit to the audience with deep laughter. Stewart took the benefit a step further with his 9/11 work.

                Re: “ignoring that one president”. Look at the artistic works of these entertainers-turned-politicians. I theorize you can determine their political leanings from the diversity of their performances. Do they have a wide range of characters, where they can observe other people, take feedback, and present something that feels natural each time? I bet that diversity is rooted in a significant amount of empathy to understand other groups. Our do they play the same tough guy over and over, rigidly, as they project their ideal image? Probably gonna be someone that expects conformity and conservation of the status quo.

                It’s obviously not a strict rule. De Niro, Eastwood, Pesci, and Wayne all played tough guys, but the second two only play tough guys. Reagan focused on westerns, which always carry a certain tough guy trope. Similarly, Trump played a vicious business mastermind. That’s it. People latched onto his TV personality all the same. Obviously, what we see is he continues to prove he was never as successful as he projects. I’ll never understand why anyone thought a country, a society should be run like a business. Businesses want profit. The profit is always loaded towards upper management. They don’t generously reward the bottom tiers for fun. They cut them, if anything. Getting cut by your own government is an insane thing to indirectly desire, but I guess these voters always believed it was other people, the right people, that would get hurt. Not the.

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          3 days ago

          Can you imagine. How pissed Trump would be. With Trump getting his show cancelled and that gives him the free time to take the presidency from him?

          I would lol, for years

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    3 days ago

    So are they going to call one Abolish ICE? Are they?

    Also wtf Independent, that’s not “trolling Trump”.