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Until the bad press dies down. Fuck’em.
Delays…
Lol, already deleted my account.
They can get fucked.
Same here. Deleted and not going back.
Yep. Its wasn’t even a question
Delays
not cancels, rolls back, stops or retracts. Delay is just doing something later than expected. This will not bring people back or change their minds.
Absolutely
Even if it was “cancel” that would just be a slightly longer delay.
The only credible alternative to discord right now that is also free and open source and not completely reliant on venture capital and traditional economics in general is Fluxer.app - The app in itself is extremely promising and provides an almost 1:1 clone to discord with a few nice additions such as federation (which is still not available but in course of making). Unfortunately it is still under maintenance right now but I am willing to wait a little to be able to use something that respects me as a user and human being instead of being milked to death for my data to be taken by big evil corps who’re actively working to suppress our freedom. It is the only financially sustainable and therefore credible FLOSS alternative to Discord right now. Also, about the controversies of the CLA, Hampus (dev of Fluxer) has completely removed it stating that it was just a loophole to use if fluxer didn’t take off in the open source community. If course Fluxer eventually did take off and of course the CLA got removed
I won’t delete my discord account because sometimes I also wanna chat with friends who still play on console but I won’t chat on it again and I will definitely wipe out all of my chat history and leave all servers I’ve been, sooner or later
I wiped all messages too, because it feels good, but in reality I think you actually don’t need to bother as they have already scraped everything and all it does is that other users won’t see them.
That’s just gives Fluxer more time to prepare for the switch 👍
That’s what my community is doing. We’re going to move to Matrix just to be rid of Discord and then seeing what we want to do next.
Matrix seems to be filling the role of discord for me. I’ve noticed element’s client is lighter on system resources then discord
Programmers with thigh-high striped socks should still take one for the team and work on Fluxer. Seriously!
Well of course discord users are pissed off they have to upload their ID. Now their discord kittens will know how old they actually are.
Removed link to avoid perpetuating vibe coded software
what was it?
Sharkord an alternative to discord but I obvious don’t recommend it
This is (extremely obvious) vibe coded. Also client side validation for permissions and other security issues
Is it really? I actually didn’t know, I’m not fluent when it comes to programming, thank you for letting me know.
Can you fill me in on the things that would tip me off in the future?
Delaying in hopes that people forget
So this, but Discord.
This is SO GOOD
They’re delaying it by six months. They’re banking on this blowing over by then. Fuck discord.
Let’s hope this gives competitors more time to get things setup well.
Was about to say this, how nice of discord to give people time to migrate to another service
The thing that’s insane to me is that most of the alternatives have screen sharing with working audio on the back burner, while I can tell you that the first one to get it working will be my go to. Hopefully with this extra cushion, one of them can get it working it’s the only thing discord has over its competitors other than general stability related things.
element call has screen sharing with audio. afaik joining a call does not even require registration, but that could depend on the server
If that is the video conferencing in the desktop then I can tell you that that has not been my experience with it both on windows and w/ Wayland
it depends. I don’t know if Element desktop uses it already, but a few months ago I have seen in the matrix live streams that they are already using it for team communication
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVFkW-chclhuyYRbmmfwt6w
but it also depends on whether your homeserver operators has set up a working element call/matrixrtc stack for it. if not, the apps will definitely use the old video conferencing implementation
Fluxer has screen sharing with audio.
Audio hasn’t worked for me or my friends across Linux or Windows. Been kind of a pain.
It also seems to suffer the XWayland issue in Linux that Discord did for quite some time where it just flat out fails to get screen capture in the desktop app, but works in the browser. Electron pains
Screen sharing is my deal breaker/maker. If they don’t have it I can’t switch. Hopefully they can get something going in 6 months
Fluxer has screen sharing.
This is my take. Fluxer and Root are the top two for my group, but they need more time in the oven(hell, everything does).
So far I’ve uninstalled discord on my devices and I’m using it via the web browser only in a container tab, until my group switches over to something else.
Can’t fucking wait to delete my account.
Matrix seems pretty mature, and has screen sharing with audio?
Matrix the protocol, yeah, is fine. The clients? Only Element Classic seems to work decently on Android, the newer one sucks. The other half dozen clients are atrocious. On desktop Element is fine, but I was experiencing extreme latency, however that was during the initial “rush” to find a Discord alternative a week or so ago.
But, my biggest gripe is trying to explain what Matrix is to other people. Then have to explain what federation is, then the fediverse. Then I get dumb questions of “Why do I need to create a Matrix account to use Element? Can’t I just use a Element account?” which either means they didn’t understand my previous explanation or they weren’t paying attention.
With Fluxer or Root or whatever, I can say “Go make an account on Fluxer.app and then go use the web version until the app is released” and everyone understands that just fine.
its best to just tell them about Element, and leave the Matrix name out. the curious ones will find it out.
Then I get dumb questions of “Why do I need to create a Matrix account to use Element? Can’t I just use a Element account?”
this could work: “when you want to try a different client than Element, you can use the same login for that too”
Yeah, I’ll have to work on my explanation there as well.
As I understand it, Matrix is a standard for doing Discord-like things (and other stuff as well, but never mind that), but it’s also an organization that hosts a service that follows that standard - you can make an account there, and use whatever client you like to join servers and do Discord-like things.
But anyone could host such a service, or make such clients, so a big tech firm could never fully own Matrix - in the same way that they can never fully own email.
Sound right?
Does screen sharing works on the web browser? I might do discord in a container in a Firefox fork if it does work well.
No idea, I never used screen sharing on Discord unless it was a very rare occasion to share my view when playing a specific game. So, I’m not the right person to ask…sorry
this is the second time they have “delayed” the age verification
Same thing happened in 2021-ish when WhatsApp changed their policy that all your information would be shared with Facebook. Outrage pushed it back six months, and then they did it anyway.
I cancelled my nitro when it was announced they were doing this shady crap and it’s staying cancelled until there is credible assurances they won’t be handing over personal data to the like so palantir and other related goons.
The only way you should trust them, or anyone else, is if they don’t collect your personal data at all. There is absolutely no way I’d trust any website or service with information like what they want. All of these laws are explicitly designed to create a digital profile of every person so they can track what you do. It can’t be done ethically because it isn’t supposed to be done ethically.
Short of regular 3rd party audits, there’s nothing they can do that would assure they’re handling your data with privacy and care. And even that’s a stretch.
Just like WhatsApp did when they introduced the TOS change for WhatsApp for Business
Nice, I been struggling getting group chats working in Matrix. I don’t have to rush now.
I’d recommend creating a private room and inviting people to it instead. You can optionally enable encryption as well, but keep in mind it has perfect forward secrecy, so people won’t be able to view messages from before they joined.
Don’t enable encryption in group chats unless you want to know what meme unable to decrypt message is about
Was trying to get voice group chats. I’m getting my ass kicked and my set up hasn’t worked yet and keeps getting bigger with parts I’m not sure I need or work.
Alright, stoat or revolt or anyone else, you’ve got 6 months. I’ll move my group over in 6 months and donate to the best solution. Thanks everyone for pushing back against discord, to the indie devs who are working on alternatives, and to the self-hosting community for making it possible for me to even plan to move off of discord.
And why not to give Matrix a chance? Stoat (named Revolt before), Fluxer or anything else that is centralised is going to end up doing the same.
Because from what I can tell Matrix isn’t a good Discord replacement. I’ll spin up a server just to trial it, but every person I’ve talked to who isn’t already on Matrix and every thing I’ve seen or read says it’s not a discord replacement, it’s just a chat app.
Stoat and Fluxer can be self-hosted which is my main desire. Something fully under my control, with my data security, that won’t rely on another service to keep it running (although naturally I rely on the code base being maintained, hence donating as if it was a paid product).
You can self-host Matrix without federating, but it’s the best part about it. There is still work to be done about video calls, screen sharing and such in different Matrix clients but it is being work on. Try for example CommetChat as it’s the closest to Discord.
Because the user experience of Matrix is poor and not currently a sufficient Discord replacement.
Fluxer isn’t entirely centralized. It has self hosting support.
It’s quasi centralized pretty much the same as matrix.
You can just opt to not use the central server for hosting services.
What?
I don’t think you know what centralization/decentralization means.
On matrix, you scan spin up a server/instance and communicate with any other matrix server/instance. On Fluxer, if you self-host, and your friend also self-hosts, your instance/server cannot communicate with your friend’s instance/server. You would have to create an account on your friend’s instance/server and vice-versa. You would also, probably, have to be running two clients in order to chat in both servers/instances.
Federation of self-hosted servers is on the Fluxer road map.
However, the team has had massive growth in the last two weeks and pulled enough visibility that assholes being assholes decided that it would be fun to DDoS them while also dealing with sudden growth.
Fluxer’s majn benefits are that it is so close to discord that it, in theory, supports existing Discord bots with minimal effort, and the kid behind it is obsessed with the tech stack and FOSS.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too, stoat, fluxer, whatever, don’t care which, but 6 months now that there is momentum gives me hope they can smooth out the UX
Too late biiiiiiiiiitch we already had our exodus.
Where’d we go though? Which place with the streaming and chatting?
XMPP with their myriad of gnu-ified clients.
Which client is the multi-platform one with message history and streaming video?
Gajim is one. Dino is another (I think). You just need to make sure the client has Jingle compatability (xmpp plugin) for streaming video. A lot let you connect to multiple.xmpp servers
For someone not in, this comments sounds like a meme xD
If I jingle my dino I can connect to what?
No way it gets through “I can’t be arsed” of normies xD
I gave in and just made a fluxer account. I’ll just self-host that when they relaunch the docs.
dino all dayyyyyy baybayyyyy
cheogram on Android
The only problem I see are my non-techie friends aren’t used to the skype style calling anymore. They want a voice channel that is persistent for dropping in and out
Movim. Though due to how recent it was implemented, you must use a chromium based browser to stream the application’s audio too.
Matrix, can easily do the above.
Except audio on the screen share, it is my biggest issue with matrix currently.
Why? It works flawlessly for me. Are you self hosting? Are you on Wayland?
I’ve been using matrix.org, it doesn’t work with the desktop app on windows, & I use the element-desktop package from the arch extra repo, which also doesn’t work. I do use Wayland, as I am unable to run an x11 de for various reasons
Yeah then it’s a Wayland issue. Idk why Wayland is being pushed so hard by various distros despite it still not being ready.
I’ve been using Matrix for about a decade. Federated, encrypted chats and rooms (optional), supports video, self hostable, fully open source.
I have too. It’s… Really not ready for primetime, based on present-day experiences watching rooms lurch into view (and I don’t even think it’s possible to search for them on Android). Has video at least gotten better?
I setup a Haven (Github) self-hosted instance and am slowly dragging friends over as the dev pumps out features. All the important stuff is already available, still more on the way. Also has things like E2E, which I don’t care about for my community/server, but it is nice to have.
How the heck have I not heard of this one yet? It already looks promising - I see video, chat, channel organization…
It’s one main dev, another doing android, and supporters (I myself have been firing off ideas, suggestions, and issue tickets, and trying to help other users). An electron desktop program is in the works too.
“Too late” isn’t even relevant anyway, they’re still doing it, so everyone should still be leaving.
It’s nice in that it gives the various Discord competitors a longer period to work on getting their software spiffed up.
I’d argue its completely relevant as they are trying to save face here. Anyone who has somehow made it to 2026 without a hostile relationship to corporations (most red and blue team in America) will probably take this as a sign to come back for now.
Agreed; Discord is trying to lull people into a false sense of security as a means of convincing them to stay, in the same manner that Reddit gave limited API access to apps like RedReader to stem the tide of users leaving for platforms like Lemmy.
Beyond age verification, if Discord is scanning a user’s messaging history to determine what their age is, one can only imagine all the other data valuable to data brokers that they are extracting from it too.
But a true easy to use discord alternative is still not there.
For chat: IRC, Stoat, Fluxer, Root, Zulip, Matrix, Slack, Teams, Guilded.
For voice/video: Mumble, Teamspeak, Jitsi Meet, also several of the above.
wdym there’s been good alternatives to Discord for decades.
This is just not true at all, only recently have alternatives started to spring up that even get close to the number of features and level of polish that discord has (note, discord still has plenty of issues, I’m not saying its perfect)
Easy buttons cost money. Free takes some work.
I don’t know man, deal with it
OK? I was just commenting on the state of the situation, there’s nothing to “deal with”?
I’m in the process of migrating my community to Stoat (formerly Revolt). It’s janky as all balls because new platform, but it’s going well.
Fluxer exists and is a near 1:1 drop in replacement.
It’s current only real problem is the servers are overloaded. But it has a self host option to bypass that very problem.
A bigger problem than a technical alternative is convincing all of your friends to switch.
There are multiple other programs that fill a similar niche, but I don’t know I’ll be able to get everyone I know to change over.
I definitely will discontinue using Discord if they deploy this surveillance state bullshit, but a little bit sad over the number of gaming buddies I’ll lose contact with in the process.
If they choose not to switch, then that’s on them. Eventually enough people will start migrating that stragglers will also start to follow.
It will take a while for a full on replacement to be viable. People need move to this kind of stuff with friends and small groups for now. As time goes on, the infrastructure and community momentum will build out and make moving feasible for larger groups, though. That’s to say, if you’ve got a massive Discord server with 10 thousand people, 100 different channels, and complex bots, you can’t simply knee jerk move it overnight without destroying the community. Number one, the community has to want to move. A switch of that nature starts with people using other options alongside Discord. When there’s enough people using something else, there needs to be a good plan laid out for how to build out the new server and make the switch seamless for the users.
I think it looks promising, but it’s still very early days. Hopefully they can gain more traction.
Waiting for a C&D from Discord. I’m avoiding on that premise alone.
Yeah, this is FUD. Not even Microsoft could patent an interface.
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It’s developed by a previous discord developer and looks exactly like Discord. Only a matter of time before they shut it down if it gains enough traction.
Its developed by a kid out of uni and discord doesnt own the UI style.
They make profit off of that UI style and that’s all that really matters. Only a matter of time as I said.
https://fluxer.app/ looks promising
There is a bunch of stuff that can become an alternative, if the users will come.
TeamSpeak 6 and Stoat? Didn’t use the second one.
ts6 has poor Linux support currently.
Hopefully it’s improved soon.
It hasn’t improved in two years. It’s not going to. Teamspeak developers are slower than Wayland’s.
The matrix protocol is actually easy to use, it just takes a bit of effort to get into. Once you’re in, then it’s as easy as Discord, I haven’t had any issues and it’s been a great learning experience. https://joinmatrix.org/
This is bullshit. I’m sorry. I’ve tried signing up on like three servers with Element Classic and Element X and all of them fail. Maybe I’ve just gotten incredibly unlucky with the instances I’ve picked, but it’s been a much tougher time than joining Lemmy was.
I have an old matrix.org account I can use, but it’s asking me to get something from a currently logged in session, which I don’t have any. I saved all the files and phrases it asked me to when I joined originally, but it isn’t enough. There’s a possibility I missed one, but the fact that I do have a file and phrase saved in my password manager is evidence I was saving what it asked me to.
If worst comes to worst I can just use matrix.org, but I know that Matrix’s “federated but de facto centralized” problem is much worse than Lemmy’s (lemmy.world is big but not a majority, but I think a majority of people use matrix.org) and I’m trying to help fix that.
It’s just frustrating. I want Matrix to be the Discord replacement but it’s a pain in the ass currently. And Discord is so many things to do many people. It’s voice for some, streaming for some, and for a lot it’s the fact that it’s DMs, rooms, servers, voice, and streaming all in one and with a very large user base. Matrix, to my knowledge, is only rooms, servers (or more properly spaces in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs. Back when I used it more frequently it wasn’t super active. Especially for really niche activities. And don’t even get me started on the state of NSFW matrix, I went down that rabbit hole and one of the top results was MAP stuff (pedophiles). There’s also just a huge amount of furry stuff, which isn’t inherently a problem, but when it seems like there’s dozens of NSFW furry rooms and a top result on search is talking about which servers and rooms are sympathetic to pedophiles and the folks most likely to be leaving Discord are the ones who were doing NSFW things because that’s what’s actually age restricted I can’t really evangelize Matrix as a good replacement.
This sort of turned into more of a rant than I intended. It’s just frustrating.
(Edit: Also, to be clear, I’m not saying it’s Matrix’s fault pedophile apologists use it or that it’s a top result, I’m just expressing frustration with the situation.)
there are “spaces” now which is a collection of rooms, which is a pretty good analogue for discord “servers”
I may not have been clear, I just meant that “Discord servers” are not “servers” in the way the word is actually used (meaning a computer) and that Matrix instances actually are real “servers”. But yeah, spaces are like Discord servers.
Matrix, to my knowledge, is only chats, servers (or more properly rooms in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs.
I was responding to this
Ohh I see, I’ll edit
This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
