Joshua Orta was planning on cooperating with investigators hired by the family of his friend, Ruben Ray Martinez, who was fatally shot by an ICE agent last year, according to a report
There are only a handful of models that use a drive-by-wire system where an electronic attack would let you do something like that (Teslas and some models of Humvee are the only ones I know right offI was wrong, both models I was thinking of would not allow this either. There’s only four models in the US where this would be possible.) - pretty much everything else still uses supplementary physical connections to prevent loss of control during a hardware failure. Loss of steering assist or activation of an immobilizer will cause your engine to shut down and your controls to be less responsive, but it does not cause you to lose control of a car and both have a long enough purely mechanical delay to allow you to safely stop the vehicle.
There’s no way for a remote attacker to “drive your car into the wall” unless you’re using one of those very rare models. Even cars with lane assist are designed so that -mechanically- they cannot override user input.
Seeing this coincidentally. I may be wrong about the immobilizer but even having one aspect of the car fail could cause issues if the person isnt expecting it, especially if they are already speeding. Also theres no saying if there could have been physical sabotage to the car or that he was driving something with issues like a recent honda (steering rack issues that cause them to lock up)
If you’re defending the idea this was him being killed by ICE - while I personally doubt it was (why would ICE care enough to do this elaborate conspiracy BS that almost failed when they could just, you know, shoot him) - that’s not really needed here, I’m not trying to make a case either way. I’m just pointing out that “hacking a car” can’t, outside of a handful of models, be used by a hacker as an automatic crash button. Even that example you linked to at worst just disabled the engine or the electronic brakes, which wouldn’t inherently cause someone to lose control of a car outside of those very few models (idk if you’ve ever had an engine die while you’re driving, but it really isnt a big deal to manage).
Pretty much all modern cars cannot be forced to crash by a hacker - maybe, if they’re lurking and waiting until you’re speeding and then disable systems right as you’re turning it could increase the chance of you crashing, but modern cars are also extremely safe in an accident. Even in a tremendously bad incident like the above, everyone survived the impact - he only died because of the resulting fire. And again, he wasn’t the one driving, so his position in the car wouldn’t have been predictable… sorry, he wasn’t the owner of the car? This just doesn’t add up when ICE can just, you know, shoot people and get away with it.
I think you’ve misunderstood - while there are many models with the ability to steer the car without human input, there are almost none that do not have a direct mechanical link in addition to those systems so that the human can override those controls in the event of malfunction.
For example, this is the steering colum from a Kia Sportage with lane assist:
You can see that while it does have supplemental electrical controls, there’s still a purely mechanical connection. I will admit I made an error in my initial post: Teslas do not use steer-by-wire either. As near as I can find there are only four models (in the US) that do not have at least a supplemental direct mechanical connection - and current safety standards make it borderline impossible for new models without that to be legal on US roads.
How new is modern? Off the top of my head I remember a bunch of models affected by the Jeep crystler dodge head unit to can bus hack. I’d be suprised if KIA hadn’t fucked it up. And remember, you don’t need steering, you just control of the throttle, maybe the brakes or traction control.
I don’t think ICE killed this guy(unless he was driving a Tesla then maybe). But the CIA and Mossad like to kill people this way
Oh I think they’re perfectly fine for the nazis that biy them I was just being… an ass? Unsure the best adjective, there was more to the true you said lol.
Cars don’t explode like in movies
It’s also a huge vulnerability that modern cars have internet connections and could easily trigger the immobilizer or drive it into a wall
There are only a handful of models that use a drive-by-wire system where an electronic attack would let you do something like that (
Teslas and some models of Humvee are the only ones I know right offI was wrong, both models I was thinking of would not allow this either. There’s only four models in the US where this would be possible.) - pretty much everything else still uses supplementary physical connections to prevent loss of control during a hardware failure. Loss of steering assist or activation of an immobilizer will cause your engine to shut down and your controls to be less responsive, but it does not cause you to lose control of a car and both have a long enough purely mechanical delay to allow you to safely stop the vehicle.There’s no way for a remote attacker to “drive your car into the wall” unless you’re using one of those very rare models. Even cars with lane assist are designed so that -mechanically- they cannot override user input.
Seeing this coincidentally. I may be wrong about the immobilizer but even having one aspect of the car fail could cause issues if the person isnt expecting it, especially if they are already speeding. Also theres no saying if there could have been physical sabotage to the car or that he was driving something with issues like a recent honda (steering rack issues that cause them to lock up)
If you’re defending the idea this was him being killed by ICE - while I personally doubt it was (why would ICE care enough to do this elaborate conspiracy BS that almost failed when they could just, you know, shoot him) - that’s not really needed here, I’m not trying to make a case either way. I’m just pointing out that “hacking a car” can’t, outside of a handful of models, be used by a hacker as an automatic crash button. Even that example you linked to at worst just disabled the engine or the electronic brakes, which wouldn’t inherently cause someone to lose control of a car outside of those very few models (idk if you’ve ever had an engine die while you’re driving, but it really isnt a big deal to manage).
Pretty much all modern cars cannot be forced to crash by a hacker - maybe, if they’re lurking and waiting until you’re speeding and then disable systems right as you’re turning it could increase the chance of you crashing, but modern cars are also extremely safe in an accident. Even in a tremendously bad incident like the above, everyone survived the impact - he only died because of the resulting fire. And again,
he wasn’t the one driving, so his position in the car wouldn’t have been predictable…sorry, he wasn’t the owner of the car? This just doesn’t add up when ICE can just, you know, shoot people and get away with it.I’m not saying they did him in because that’s just a conspiracy theory, but your claim is a touch outdated.
Anything that has lane assist or parking assist, on any model has buss managed controls.
Manufacturer,Model,Type of Auto Control Tesla,Model 3,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model Y,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model S,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model X,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Ford,Mustang Mach-E,BlueCruise Ford,F-150,BlueCruise Ford,Expedition,BlueCruise Ford,Escape,Lane Keeping Assist GM,Cadillac CT4,Super Cruise GM,Cadillac CT5,Super Cruise GM,Cadillac Escalade,Super Cruise GM,Chevy Silverado,Super Cruise GM,GMC Sierra,Super Cruise Hyundai,Ioniq 5,Highway Driving Assist Hyundai,Ioniq 6,Highway Driving Assist Hyundai,Santa Fe,Remote Smart Parking Assist Hyundai,Palisade,Remote Smart Parking Assist Kia,EV6,Highway Driving Assist Kia,EV9,Remote Smart Parking Assist 2 Kia,Sportage,Lane Keeping Assist Kia,Telluride,Highway Driving Assist Toyota,Camry,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,Corolla,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,RAV4,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,Highlander,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Honda,Accord,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,Civic,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,CR-V,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,Pilot,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Nissan,Ariya,ProPILOT Assist and ProPILOT Park Nissan,Rogue,ProPILOT Assist Nissan,Leaf,ProPILOT Assist Mercedes-Benz,S-Class,Drive Pilot Mercedes-Benz,EQS,Drive Pilot / Active Steering Assist Mercedes-Benz,E-Class,Active Steering Assist BMW,5 Series,Driving Assistant Professional BMW,7 Series,Parking Assistant Professional BMW,iX,Highway Assist Audi,A6,Lane Assist Audi,A8,Parking Assist Plus Audi,Q7,Lane Centering and Parking Assist Volkswagen,ID.4,Travel Assist Volkswagen,Tiguan,Lane Assist Volkswagen,Atlas,Lane Assist Subaru,Outback,EyeSight Lane Centering Subaru,Forester,EyeSight Lane Centering Subaru,Crosstrek,EyeSight Lane Centering Volvo,XC90,Pilot Assist Volvo,XC60,Pilot Assist Polestar,Polestar 2,Pilot Assist Lexus,RX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Lexus,NX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Lexus,ES,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Rivian,R1T,Driver Plus Rivian,R1S,Driver Plus Lucid,Air,DreamDriveI think you’ve misunderstood - while there are many models with the ability to steer the car without human input, there are almost none that do not have a direct mechanical link in addition to those systems so that the human can override those controls in the event of malfunction.
For example, this is the steering colum from a Kia Sportage with lane assist:
You can see that while it does have supplemental electrical controls, there’s still a purely mechanical connection. I will admit I made an error in my initial post: Teslas do not use steer-by-wire either. As near as I can find there are only four models (in the US) that do not have at least a supplemental direct mechanical connection - and current safety standards make it borderline impossible for new models without that to be legal on US roads.
How new is modern? Off the top of my head I remember a bunch of models affected by the Jeep crystler dodge head unit to can bus hack. I’d be suprised if KIA hadn’t fucked it up. And remember, you don’t need steering, you just control of the throttle, maybe the brakes or traction control.
I don’t think ICE killed this guy(unless he was driving a Tesla then maybe). But the CIA and Mossad like to kill people this way
That begs the question: what were they driving?
I thought Tesla’s were a little bit on the explody side of things.
The victim had a loving family with him, so it couldn’t have been a Tesla
Firey, yes. Explodey? Not so much from what I’ve seen.
Yeah I think the issue is the fiery and all electric means you’re locked inside with the fire…
At least the fire can’t escape.
“I’m not locked in here with the fire… the fire is locked in here with ME.”
I wasn’t trying to imply that the nazimobiles were safe. Just that they are mostly dangerous to the Nazi supporters that buy them.
Oh I think they’re perfectly fine for the nazis that biy them I was just being… an ass? Unsure the best adjective, there was more to the true you said lol.