I’ve seen some incredibly stupid Tankie takes around here, but this might be the most completely dissassociated, idiotic trash I have ever seen come out of any of their mouths. It is the picture of “our heroic adventurers; their british invadwrs” meme.
“Both Imperialist genocides were bad.” “We elevated the native peoples (when we destroyed their cultures and killed anyone who resisted); you’re denying genocide.”
Anyone who reads that comment and doesn’t immediately smell the hypocritical bullshit needs help, either developing critical thinking skills, or getting away from the brainwashing they’ve consumed.
The most important thing to note about Tankies is that they are unapologetically authoritarians, they operate entirely on a strongman principle. They will never question themselves or their strongmen. this is why they’re sometimes called red fash, since they’re really not that different from fascists.
“Genocide denial is when you acknowledge genocide that isn’t done by The West™”
It’s ‘funny’ that this is the same line of thinking deployed by fascist rhetoric all around the world for the past century.
“Racism is when you acknowledge racism”
“Sexism is when you acknowledge sexism”
“Fascism is when you acknowledge fascism”
Remember, when tankies refer to communism, they don’t actually give a shit about communist ideals, but instead authoritarian ideals. They tend to ignore that the USSR and Nazi Germany signed a non-aggression pact when they both invaded Poland.
Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the Soviet Union all share authoritarianism. They aren’t direct opposites.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact wasn’t just a non-aggression pact. They carved out eastern Europe into spheres of influence.
also not a good look coopting proto-fascist slogans like TDS
Let’s just forget about the Holodomor genocide killing millions of Ukrainians, and Poland, the Baltics and East Germany being kept prisoners.
Funnily enough they do forget about the Holodomor! they say it never happened, and if it did happen, then it was good
Comparing the Soviet famine of the 30s to the Holocaust is blatant Holocaust revisionism, which is clearly what the word “holodomor” was coined to do. You should use a different term
Comparisons don’t magically change the holocaust. Both were genocides, that’s the point.
There’s no revision going on here
Comparing the all time number one genocide to something that isn’t a genocide is Holocaust denial
I avoid quantifying genocide since it can happen in all sorts of ways against all sorts of people. 100,000 dead aboriginals are still as bad as 6 million jews. Genocide is bad, regardless of how many are killed.
Why do you doubt that the Holodomor was a genocide? Either way, the Holodomor was man-made and an atrocity perpetrated by Stalin’s government.
The famine hit all the major grain producing regions of the USSR, not just Ukraine, so it was awfully unspecific for being a targeted act of genocide.
They were exporting grain to fund their program of rapid industrialization, there was a crop failure, and they still exported the grain. Once it became clear to the Soviet government that there was a famine, they reversed course, but the damage was done. This was callous, an atrocity even, but it does not constitute genocide. The idea that it was a genocide was concocted by Ukrainian nationalist exiles (themselves SS veterans) after the war and used to equivocate Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia for cold war propaganda.
Thanks for posting in here. It’s extremely rare for a tankie to actually venture to be challenged.
So first, the grain quotas were impossible to meet, and Ukraine specifically was targeted. Ukrainian villages were blacklisted, with food seizures, trade bans and other sorts of blockades. Once starvation began, Ukraine’s borders were forcefully closed to stop peasants from fleeing, that’s not something you do in a legitimate famine. This was also all during the time of suppressing Ukraine’s culture. The fact that the policies were not applied uniformly across the USSR is what makes it a genocide.
They also didn’t reverse course, they knew the starvation was occurring and continued it anyway, even continuing grain requisitions despite the famine. Literally stealing from the starving.
When it comes to genocide, we usually refer to the UN Genocide Convention, which is what we do for Palestine. Stalin saw the Ukranian nationalism as a threat and used the famine as a means of subjugation. The combined starvation, border closures, and ongoing dismantling of Ukrainian culture all indicate that it was a destructive intent towards Ukrainians as a national group. Either way, it’s still an atrocity, and the USSR’s response was morally wrong and led to many deaths.
It’s also wild that you’re holding Ukrainian peasants accountable as SS veterans when the Ukrainian émigrés were contesting famine conditionsin the 1930s, before WW2. Starvation and famine aren’t something that just magically happens, it’s gradual. And even if there were exiles, you don’t starve peasants who have been on the land for generations.
Regardless, millions died, the state seized grain during starvation, restricted movement and trapped starving peasants and oppressed Ukrainian culture. Ukraine considers it to be a genocide, and so do many other nations.
Why do you doubt this?
Pretty much like nazis on the Holocaust.
Identical. Even their memes are the same.
‘6 million ovens!’
‘big spoons!’
Genocide is a joke to them.
That “well actually” comment is kinda obnoxious as fuck considering the USSR is gone while Amerisrael is currently undertaking a genocide in Palestine, tankies are fucking stupid for trying to defend the USSR all the time like this though.
I believe the point is that imperialism comes in all shades.
That Cowbee fella is considered lie a saint over there
He is. It’s funny how they circlejerk themselves about how much of a debatelord he is.
Thing is that anyone who actually challenges him is immediately and swiftly banned and their comments removed entirely. Convenient.
And he just info-dumps them and forces his argument without even considering the opposing ideal because he is right and you are wrong. Not only wrong, but ideologically different. He is ultra left and everyone else is to the “right”. Russia is right wing yet he seems to never disparage them.
His method of debate is gish-gallop, where he just spams a bunch of blatantly biased sources and expects you to go through every single one of them. If you do challenge, he’ll report you to the tankie mods or admins, and they’ll immediately ban you and remove your comments.
I’ve challenged him a few times and every single time, he’s needed a mod to bail him out.
Tankies can’t argue. It’s because their beliefs aren’t based in reality; they have to rely on conspiracy and whataboutism.
“That is CIA propaganda!!!1!!” They would say if they were here right now.
Sadly I tried and failed to debate him, I didn’t have enough intrinsic knowledge to combat him. But I knew in my heart I was right 😂
