I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I’m sorry.
I’m just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.
Here’s a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712
The actual events, and ascertaining them reliably, obviously are very complicated.
The simplest way to address your question is still relatively simple, but less simple than you pretend.
The question you insist is simple conflates two different things. One is the fact of fatalities occurring during conflict, and the other is the Israeli narrative as parroted uncritically.
One is accepted fact, which no one contests, and one is debunked propaganda.
You should be adequately thoughtful and sincere to acknowledge the distinction.
You should stop wondering, and start acknowledging that you have constructed a rather absurd false dichotomy.
It says a lot about you that I addressed your question directly and appropriately, several times now in succession, yet you still act too dense to understand.
Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then. Why can’t you do it? Prove you can be direct.
What is it you want to prove for yourself?
You seem to be searching for some straightforward and unambiguous proof that you are right, whereas I consider it completely right that you were called out for acting as a mouthpiece of Israel and Zionism.
It would be best for you to let go of your need for the world to be explained in terms that are black and while.
At least one thing really is simple, though. If you want not to be called a mouthpiece of Israel, then you should stop acting as one.
Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then.
You’re falsely accusing me of something. Prove it, liar.
You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.
Respecting the October 7 attacks, limited details are reliably known.
It is known that both Hamas and Israeli combatants perpetrated attacks, and it is known that many people were killed, including many Israelis.
It is known that Hamas taking hostages was planned as a important component of the mission, and that it was successful.
The claims of sexual assault have now been almost completely dismissed, many as completely lacking credibility, others as not supported adequately by evidence. Israel’s dishonest and obstructive conduct has obscured the truth, probably irredeemably.
Even generously accepting some of the evidence offered for sexual assault, it would remain unknown whether such acts were spontaneous choices by individuals, or ordered by higher tiers of command.
Furthermore, it is unknown how many of the Israelis who were killed died as a consequence of Israeli fire.
Regardless of your sense of intention, I feel it is right that you were called out for acting as mouthpiece of Israel and Zionism.
You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.
Or admit that you lied when you said it.
You know what you wrote. Stop being obstinate.
I stand by my characterizations, regarding the allegations you repeated, as well as regarding issues more personal.
The truth is we don’t know what happened, and you find it hard to accept a world with uncertainty and nuance.
You find it hard to accept that there is not always a clear path to proving yourself right and proving someone else wrong.
Yup, exactly. I know exactly what I wrote which is why I can be so confident that I caught you in a lie.
Quote it.
Oh I also forgot to add kidnapping and murdering babies to the list of things you sick fucks like for some reason.
You’re an insufferable child, completely irresponsible and locked in narrow loops of self importance.
The discussion now completely lacks any chance of becoming constructive.
You can take your animosity elsewhere.