• unfreeradical@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      il y a 3 jours

      Hasbara is Israeli propaganda.

      No one claims that no one was killed, only that Israel’s account of events is deeply inaccurate. Arguing against the claim that no one was killed is, in the most charitable case, misconstruing the controversy.

      For example, we do know that many of the Israeli deaths were directly attributable to fire from Israeli gunships.

      Continuing as you do, either you are poorly informed, or deliberately dishonest.

      • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
        21·
        il y a 2 jours

        I said they murdered and raped, you said that was “debunked”

        Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

        • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netEnglish
          12·
          il y a 2 jours

          Your “gotcha” questioning isn’t the own you think.

          You blundered, by uncritically parroting Israeli propaganda used to justify Israel’s atrocities.

          Instead you should learn about the serious problems with the Israeli narrative. and then reevaluate your own perspective. Until then, your discussing the subject is not productive.

          To people not dwelling in a rabbit hole of Zionist propaganda, my characterization is not misleading.

          If someone says a Tale of Two Cities is fiction, are they lying because Old Bailey and the Bastille are real?

          • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
            21·
            il y a 2 jours

            Just looking to know which time you were lying. Simple question.

            I didn’t parrot anything. Sorry you think “rape and murder is bad” requires some kind of propaganda to believe.

            Says a lot about how you get your talking points though.

            • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netEnglish
              12·
              il y a 2 jours

              Simple question.

              There’s your problem. You’re trying to discuss complex political issues with massively absurd oversimplifications.

              I answered your question. If you don’t accept the answer, that’s on you.

              • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
                21·
                il y a 2 jours

                Something is either debunked, or it isn’t. That’s simply not a complex issue.

                Says a lot that you won’t give a straight answer though. Or use concise language about anything.

                Because if you did, you’d have to decide whether to go with:

                • Rape and murder of civilians is actually good sometimes and when Hamas does it it’s good Or
                • Of course they’re going to rape and murder civilians while they resist, because you look down on the Palestinian people as savage, barbaric people who can’t help but rape and murder civilians.

                I wonder which it is.

                • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  12·
                  il y a 2 jours

                  Something is either debunked, or it isn’t. That’s simply not a complex issue.

                  The actual events, and ascertaining them reliably, obviously are very complicated.

                  The simplest way to address your question is still relatively simple, but less simple than you pretend.

                  The question you insist is simple conflates two different things. One is the fact of fatalities occurring during conflict, and the other is the Israeli narrative as parroted uncritically.

                  One is accepted fact, which no one contests, and one is debunked propaganda.

                  You should be adequately thoughtful and sincere to acknowledge the distinction.

                  Because if you did, you’d have to decide whether to go with… I wonder which it is.

                  You should stop wondering, and start acknowledging that you have constructed a rather absurd false dichotomy.

                  It says a lot about you that I addressed your question directly and appropriately, several times now in succession, yet you still act too dense to understand.

                  • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
                    21·
                    il y a 2 jours

                    One is accepted fact

                    Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then. Why can’t you do it? Prove you can be direct.