It sure would be. The problem is we have a republic, not a democracy. So even though a candidate runs on one thing, if they change their stance then we just have to live with it.
A majority of Americans do not give a shit about Danemark and would not lift their pinky to help one of their staunchest allies. That is true.
MAGA is a (large) minority. That is also true.
This is all enabled by a very sizeable chunk of Americans being literally mentally unable to conceptualize people outside their village as living, breathing, fully conscious people deserving of love and safety. They are colloquially known as “non-voters”.
Unfortunately you are obviously wrong.
Trump got the majority vote, Republicans have behaved like sociopaths for decades, and Trump even turned it up to a whole new level.
It was very obvious, and despite that he got the majority vote. That clearly shows the Majority of Americans accepted these sociopathic policies. There is no way around it, it was too obvious to claim afterwards that “this was not what we voted for”, because USA got EXACTLY what they voted for. And lame excuses like it’s only half the population that vote are frivolous. Because despite the clear danger, people did NOT turn up to vote against Trump.
Everybody who didn’t vote but could have, accepted that Trump might win, and was OK with that.
If you didn’t vote, or voted Trump, you don’t get to whine about it afterwards. It’s not like he changed character after the vote.
He got slightly less than half of the vote with a voter turnout of 64%, meaning only a third of eligible voters actual voted for him. The turnout in 2024 was slightly lower than 2020, but it was still higher than most years before. He has never even reached 50% approval rating, which is low compared to the highs of most presidents before him.
Fascists rarely have majority support, only needing a reliable plurality. They did gain power because not enough was done to stop them, but the lack of action was not just from non voters. The Democrats made multiple political blunders that even their own internal investigations revealed. Not only did they fuck up on Gaza, they completely dropped the ball on economic issues; failing to even acknowledge problems let alone offer anything new.
No he won the popular vote, there is no evidence otherwise.
And all the ones that didn’t vote who could have, were OK with Trump winning, or else they would have turned up to vote against him.
So 2 thirds either wanted him to win or were OK with it.
He got 2.3 million more votes than Harris, which 1.5% more than her for a grand total of 49.8% of the vote. Almost 2% voted 3rd party, which basically means they didn’t vote in FPTP. That still doesn’t mean a majority voted for him. Both Obama and Biden won more than 50%, so him not breaking that threshold in either election he won was noteworthy. He’s always been the most popular of the unpopular.
And all the ones that didn’t vote who could have, were OK with Trump winning, or else they would have turned up to vote against him.
You’re not wrong on this point, at least mechanically. Unfortunately for all of us who understand this, most people are don’t view voting this way. They lack the imagination for an election meaning the death of liberal democracy. Many who sat out might not have thought Trump would win. They thought even if he did win, he’d only be as bad as his first term, which while bad, could still be passed off as more of the same. Even to this day, people still think we live in a nation of laws, that things will go back to normal next election, that we aren’t doomed to decades of instability where nothing is off the table.
I really don’t blame them for thinking this, as a Democrats didn’t really campaign with the desperation they needed to. They tried a new way Democrat approach of appealing to the middle, thinking the left was secure. They didn’t harp on project 2025 or Trump’s open promises of dictatorship. They didn’t want people to panic, to realize how fragile things were, to realize that the rich donors they served were already on Trump’s side. They made everyone, even the loyal voters like me, feel like we had no choice in policy. They made clear that their promises of promoting democracy and regulating capitalism were lies. They made it as hard as possible to rationally support them, so I’ll never blame those who didn’t vote blue more than I blame the Democrats.
You are correct that Americans failed to prevent this; that everything we see is our collective fault. However, most don’t want this. Fascism taking power doesn’t mean it is popular or what most really want. It’s stupidity, not malice.
OK I suppose that the claim is based on that he got more votes than the Harris.
They thought even if he did win, he’d only be as bad as his first term,
There were massive warnings about exactly that part not being the case. If they thought that they were disregarding very clear warnings. And it doesn’t change the fact that they let the malignant narcissist win. I wrote numerous times here on Lemmy: “As a rule of thumb, don’t vote for the sociopath.”
It’s insane that such an easy to understand rule was not heeded.
as a Democrats didn’t really campaign with the desperation they needed to.
Even if the Democrats had the lamest campaign ever, people should not have allowed Trump to win. It’s a basic matter of insanity over sanity. Sanity is more boring, you can’t blame the democrats for that part. It was also a matter of sanity versus sociopathy, and that brings us back to the “rule”.
100% the American population as a whole is to blame for the election of Trump, all excuses are bad excuses. The only ones that get to complain are the ones that actually voted democrat. And why would you and how can you defend those that didn’t, considering the facts I mention?
Fascism taking power doesn’t mean it is popular
Problem is that it is actually pretty popular in USA! It may not have a majority, but my guess is that about 30% actually support a fascist regime in USA, no more power to the libs!!
A lot of people would love that.
The American society is mentally ill, the people indoctrinated with freedom and wealth as the ultimate highest achievable values, and they see sociopathy as an expression of ultimate freedom, and they idolize the rich as a higher class of society.
When I write the American society is mentally ill, I do not mean that figuratively, I mean it literally. It may be hard to understand and accept as an American, because in USA extreme evil is seen as normal. Gun shootings, removing food stamps, taking away health care, having an unlivable minimum wage, 3 times and you’re out, stand your ground, taking away voting rights, giving tax cuts to the 1% when they already pay lower tax than normal people.
The list goes on and on with systemic problems in USA. Systemic problems that ALWAYS benefit the rich and hurt the poor.
I don’t think they are. I think the minority are running the show right now.
Would be pretty great if the majority could do something about it, then.
It sure would be. The problem is we have a republic, not a democracy. So even though a candidate runs on one thing, if they change their stance then we just have to live with it.
George Washington rolling in his grave right now.
He’s part of the group that setup this republic because they wanted rich white men to run the country…
Technically true but irrelevant.
A majority of Americans do not give a shit about Danemark and would not lift their pinky to help one of their staunchest allies. That is true.
MAGA is a (large) minority. That is also true.
This is all enabled by a very sizeable chunk of Americans being literally mentally unable to conceptualize people outside their village as living, breathing, fully conscious people deserving of love and safety. They are colloquially known as “non-voters”.
Unfortunately you are obviously wrong.
Trump got the majority vote, Republicans have behaved like sociopaths for decades, and Trump even turned it up to a whole new level.
It was very obvious, and despite that he got the majority vote. That clearly shows the Majority of Americans accepted these sociopathic policies. There is no way around it, it was too obvious to claim afterwards that “this was not what we voted for”, because USA got EXACTLY what they voted for. And lame excuses like it’s only half the population that vote are frivolous. Because despite the clear danger, people did NOT turn up to vote against Trump.
Everybody who didn’t vote but could have, accepted that Trump might win, and was OK with that.
If you didn’t vote, or voted Trump, you don’t get to whine about it afterwards. It’s not like he changed character after the vote.
Nope a decent plurality does not a majority make
He got slightly less than half of the vote with a voter turnout of 64%, meaning only a third of eligible voters actual voted for him. The turnout in 2024 was slightly lower than 2020, but it was still higher than most years before. He has never even reached 50% approval rating, which is low compared to the highs of most presidents before him.
Fascists rarely have majority support, only needing a reliable plurality. They did gain power because not enough was done to stop them, but the lack of action was not just from non voters. The Democrats made multiple political blunders that even their own internal investigations revealed. Not only did they fuck up on Gaza, they completely dropped the ball on economic issues; failing to even acknowledge problems let alone offer anything new.
No he won the popular vote, there is no evidence otherwise.
And all the ones that didn’t vote who could have, were OK with Trump winning, or else they would have turned up to vote against him.
So 2 thirds either wanted him to win or were OK with it.
He got 2.3 million more votes than Harris, which 1.5% more than her for a grand total of 49.8% of the vote. Almost 2% voted 3rd party, which basically means they didn’t vote in FPTP. That still doesn’t mean a majority voted for him. Both Obama and Biden won more than 50%, so him not breaking that threshold in either election he won was noteworthy. He’s always been the most popular of the unpopular.
You’re not wrong on this point, at least mechanically. Unfortunately for all of us who understand this, most people are don’t view voting this way. They lack the imagination for an election meaning the death of liberal democracy. Many who sat out might not have thought Trump would win. They thought even if he did win, he’d only be as bad as his first term, which while bad, could still be passed off as more of the same. Even to this day, people still think we live in a nation of laws, that things will go back to normal next election, that we aren’t doomed to decades of instability where nothing is off the table.
I really don’t blame them for thinking this, as a Democrats didn’t really campaign with the desperation they needed to. They tried a new way Democrat approach of appealing to the middle, thinking the left was secure. They didn’t harp on project 2025 or Trump’s open promises of dictatorship. They didn’t want people to panic, to realize how fragile things were, to realize that the rich donors they served were already on Trump’s side. They made everyone, even the loyal voters like me, feel like we had no choice in policy. They made clear that their promises of promoting democracy and regulating capitalism were lies. They made it as hard as possible to rationally support them, so I’ll never blame those who didn’t vote blue more than I blame the Democrats.
You are correct that Americans failed to prevent this; that everything we see is our collective fault. However, most don’t want this. Fascism taking power doesn’t mean it is popular or what most really want. It’s stupidity, not malice.
OK I suppose that the claim is based on that he got more votes than the Harris.
There were massive warnings about exactly that part not being the case. If they thought that they were disregarding very clear warnings. And it doesn’t change the fact that they let the malignant narcissist win. I wrote numerous times here on Lemmy: “As a rule of thumb, don’t vote for the sociopath.”
It’s insane that such an easy to understand rule was not heeded.
Even if the Democrats had the lamest campaign ever, people should not have allowed Trump to win. It’s a basic matter of insanity over sanity. Sanity is more boring, you can’t blame the democrats for that part. It was also a matter of sanity versus sociopathy, and that brings us back to the “rule”.
100% the American population as a whole is to blame for the election of Trump, all excuses are bad excuses. The only ones that get to complain are the ones that actually voted democrat. And why would you and how can you defend those that didn’t, considering the facts I mention?
Problem is that it is actually pretty popular in USA! It may not have a majority, but my guess is that about 30% actually support a fascist regime in USA, no more power to the libs!!
A lot of people would love that.
The American society is mentally ill, the people indoctrinated with freedom and wealth as the ultimate highest achievable values, and they see sociopathy as an expression of ultimate freedom, and they idolize the rich as a higher class of society.
When I write the American society is mentally ill, I do not mean that figuratively, I mean it literally. It may be hard to understand and accept as an American, because in USA extreme evil is seen as normal. Gun shootings, removing food stamps, taking away health care, having an unlivable minimum wage, 3 times and you’re out, stand your ground, taking away voting rights, giving tax cuts to the 1% when they already pay lower tax than normal people.
The list goes on and on with systemic problems in USA. Systemic problems that ALWAYS benefit the rich and hurt the poor.
Wake up!