• Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
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    2 days ago

    You just said a transphobic thing, though. It’s in the quote I used. That thing you said is transphobic, ergo you have a history of saying transphobic things.

    Again, you’re just assuming bad intention. So I guess I must do the same with you? What if my question is legitimate? How can you know I’m just trying to piss of people? You’re just persuading people that I’m acting in bad faith, and I’m not.

    Still can’t see any quote. What exactly is transphobic?

    but there’s no obligation for the community to educate you just so you’ll feel included

    Just a sign of a bad community, but you do you. You’re free not to interact.

    Just like I’m not interested in litigating the details of why ‘asserting that you would consider a hetero relationship containing a trans person to be a gay relationship’ is transphobic.

    Then, can you really blame me for calling this out because I believe it’s not transphobic and you’re just censoring people and bullshitting?

    It’s not an unfair assumption to assume that what someone tells you they believe is, in fact, what they believe. You have expressed transphobic views, so since the only information I have with which to judge you is based on what you’ve expressed, I can safely take you at your word that you at very least hold the transphobic opinion you have said you hold.

    So believing a person is homosexual if they like trans people with the opposite gender but same sex is transphobic? I think we can stop now, there’s no point in arguing. You just have a vastly different definition of transphobia from mine. I thought it was the hate or discrimination of trans people.

    This is just fucking dumb and depressing. You’re creating enemies that aren’t there. Congrats.

    • Warl0k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I loathe quote-replies, but like the saint says…:

      Again, you’re just assuming bad intention.

      Nnnnno… no I’m not assuming anything about your intention, just your message. You’ve apparently conflated “you’ve said this transphobic thing” with “you must be a transphobe”. To be honest I think you’re probably well meaning, you just show a real lack of social skills and you treat criticism as an attack on you personally. To be clear, I don’t actually care what your intention is in saying transphobic things, only that you’ve said them. That’s been the explicit thesis of every one of my responses.

      So I guess I must do the same with you? What if my question is legitimate? How can you know I’m just trying to piss of people? You’re just persuading people that I’m acting in bad faith, and I’m not.

      In order:

      • You’re welcome to do that.
      • The legitimacy of your curiosity has never been in question.
      • How can I know you’re not?
      • If I thought you were acting in bad faith I wouldn’t have spent this long explaining the situation to you.

      Still can’t see any quote. What exactly is transphobic?

      I don’t actually know how to make this more explicit, I’m going to be uncharitable and assume this was just you being truculent (since you go on to respond to the quote in question, this too seems like a fairly safe assumption)

      Then, can you really blame me for calling this out because I believe it’s not transphobic and you’re just censoring people and bullshitting?

      I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here (sorry)

      So believing a person is homosexual if they like trans people with the opposite gender but same sex is transphobic?

      Yes. It inherently implies that biological sex is their (in this case literal) defining feature, disregarding their gender - which is the much more important aspect of a person in every situation except medicine. It’s the exact same rhetoric being used by transphobes the world over to justify all their horrendous oppression.

      Discrimination being “The ability or power to see or make fine distinctions”, your categorization of people based on the fine distinction of the interrelation of their gender expression and sex is very literal discrimination - and by your definition, that’s transphobia.

      Please stop trying to make this about me characterizing you as anything but a rude person that has having difficulty accepting that even well-intentioned people can hold transphobic views, and that bringing said views into a space regardless of intentions is bringing transphobia into a space where it’s wildly and explicitly unwelcome. I don’t care about you enough to be doing anything more than that.