Just want to make sure I have that right. He spoke up so now they are making shit up to try and defame him? Do I have this bullshit right?
Just want to make sure I have that right. He spoke up so now they are making shit up to try and defame him? Do I have this bullshit right?
Sincerity comes off as sarcasm to the insincere.
Saying my response was created by chatgpt is dismissive and not genuine critique.
FWIW, i didn’t read that as anything but genuine.
I’ll take you at face value if you say you were being sincere in your original posting, but it certainly didn’t come across that way at all to me (and I assume most of the downvoters). Just another interesting example of how tone doesn’t translate in online forums, I guess.
Relevant Kids in the Hall sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziH9St7ajuw
Do you think OP was sincere when they said it was beyond them?
I also don’t see how the video you link to is relevant.
OP wasn’t claiming to be sincere. You are.
Since you don’t see how the link is relevant, I’ll take the time to explain. The character played by David Foley in the Kids in the Hall sketch is not being intentionally sarcastic, but his affect is so sarcastic-seeming that the character played by Kevin MacDonald in the sketch is offended and leaves, despite Foley’s good intentions and desire for human contact.
In the same way, your post, by your own declaration, is not meant to be sarcastic or condescending, but was certainly taken that way by me and probably by a large number of the folks who downvoted it. I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding.
I’m not claiming op was being sincere. I read him as sincere. It appears others are not. So he is insincere that this is beyond him. Rather that everything I wrote is understandable to him and he chose to be insincere. I imagine it’s for some reason I don’t understand. Do you understand?
Thank you for taking time to explain this to me. It is now in my range of understanding. I do not know why people have downvoted me. I think they disagree with me. I do not know why people upvoted me. I think they agreed with me.
I’m not sure if you take me at face value any more. I think you think I’m being condescending and sarcastic. Are you being insincere?
I am not being insincere.
Fair enough. I believe you. I don’t think you’re being sarcastic, but, even upon re-reading, your original response more readily comes across as sarcastic to me than sincere. I don’t think you were being sarcastic, I’m just saying what the choice of words conveys to me. Again, I think that tone can get lost in online conversations and I understand that this is not what you were trying to convey.
Well thank you.
I reread it and I’m not seeing it. Can you point to any specific sentence that was particularly sarcastic? Elsewhere someone said the last sentence. I think I can see that. When I wrote it, I felt like I was helping.
I read Gorilladrums statement:
“It’s truly beyond me how people have the energy to keep with celebrities”
as being sarcastic. I find it difficult to see it any other way. I read it as Gorilladrums expressing exasperation with cultural obsession with celebrity. I didn’t read it as him asking for someone to explain it to him. I’m pretty sure that’s the last thing he wanted. In that view of his post, which is the view that I assumed most folks reading his post would have, your response of explaining it to him in simplistic terms comes across as sarcasm and condescension. I understand now that this is not the context that you were viewing his post in.
Given my understanding of his post as an expression of exasperation with the culture of celebrity that does not expect or invite a response, I’d say both your first and final sentences come across as deliberate condescension, because both of them seem to imply that Gorilladrums didn’t understand something, and required an explanation, when it seemed clear to me that he didn’t expect or want. Therefore a response providing an explanation seemed like a teasing or a taunting in defense of celebrity culture that he was really just railing against. Again, I understand now that condescension was not your intention, and you were sincerely trying to assist.
A sincere question: is English your first language?
Again just explaining it and not disagreeing. I actually literally asked ChatGPT to come up with a prompt to generate your reply, here is the prompt:
Write a reply that is mildly sarcastic but still informative, starting with “Since it’s beyond you, I’ll take the time to explain.” The reply should explain that different people have different values, describe how some people devote energy to following the intersection of culture and politics, others to online communities, and some to neither. End with a slightly condescending line implying the explanation should now be within their understanding.
Well damn. When I wrote this " I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding." I didn’t have any intention of it being condescending. When I read it, I read as up boeat with a little happiness.
I ran your prompt through ChatGPT this is what it came up with:
I see how that is similar. I just would have never used the last sentence.
This kind of mature and genuine response is only seen here on Lemmy lol. Anyways I do agree, our celebrities matter and culture is important.