subversive_dev

It’s only propaganda when Russia does it

Like… Do you really want to get into this?

The entire mainstream Western media is reporting the war in lockstep with what their handlers in the intelligence services tell them they can report. And of course, you will literally dismiss that out of hand because you think only the Russians have propaganda…

If you’re willing to even consider the possibility that you have been lied to about this war for 12 years, maybe we could get somewhere. But if you’re just going to call me a Russian bot or whatever let’s just skip it

Where is your NPOV now NATOpedia?

Yet they’re still successfully defending and countering. Which was my point

I wouldn’t define success as losing an attrition war as the defender, personally

Re: oil exports, The latest report from the IEA is for March and it shows an increase in total volume alongside a doubling of revenue

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/russia-s-oil-export-revenue-surged-in-march-iea-says/ar-AA20Rhef

I am very happy to be able to share the classic MAGIC / MORE MAGIC story here

Russia has employed lying in propaganda in and out of the context of war since the beginning and before it

Such as?

You have to look for the facts and indications beyond the propaganda without being distracted by the propaganda or trying to meta-analyze it.

How exactly would that work? Are you assuming that there is some objective truth that is somehow magically outside the realm of propaganda? How would we access this truth?

I haven’t noticed such systematic lying beyond what I would expect in wartime propaganda from Ukraine.

How about overstating Russian casualties by at least 6 to 1? How about celebrating and crowing about the disastrous counter-offensive in Kursk? What about completely ridiculous and insane air defense shoot down percentages they claim even while not having any air defense interceptors?

Press landscape is its own share of issues and part of what makes propaganda so important, effective, and necessary.

I completely agree that propaganda is an essential front in war. Do you actually believe that the media is in any way independent from that? Have you observed that Western outlets simply cite Ukrainian propaganda uncritically? (see: Russian casualties as a glaring example)

Ukraine has losses, but, with its limited resources, Ukraine is also very successful in defending

No, this is incorrect. When the war started, Ukraine massively outnumbered Russian forces on the field. (Roughly 800k versus 200k). Over the course of this war they have squandered every advantage by literally fighting like Nazis. By that I mean refusing to withdraw from positions being encircled and wave after wave of hopeless counter-attacks that are accelerating their force attrition. Even Sirski is forced to admit that the UA is shrinking, while the number of Russian forces in the field is growing.

and striking into Russia.

Yet Russian oil exports continue to grow. Perhaps these attacks on Russian energy infrastructure are not as successful as the Western media would have you believe.

And to retain support, they have to utilize propaganda/publicity, to stay in the public and international eye, and continue to receive support. And they’re very effective in that too.

I certainly agree that Ukraine has been effective in promulgating their propaganda narratives in the western press. Of course they have a lot of help from Western intelligence

When I say the word propaganda I mean it in the technical sense “information crafted into a narrative and spread for a political purpose”.

A YouTuber I follow called Willy OAM says that the winning side’s propaganda will exaggerate and the losing side’s will fabricate. I think this is a perfect example.

The Russians announced that they had taken Kupiansk. In retrospect this was premature (exaggeration). In response Zelensky claimed in the caption to his picture that Ukraine had retained full control over Kupiansk, while providing for proof a picture taken 3 km southwest of the western bridgehead and other key central areas of the city (fabrication). Even (honest) mappers that are pro-Ukrainian did not find this evidence compelling to support his claim, but of course the Western press uncritically reported it as fact and a great embarrassment to the Russians.

Now, months later (at the start of the spring offensive) the Russians are pushing out from the bridgehead into Western Kupiansk. Moreover, they have been taking huge swaths of territory southeast of Kupiansk on the east side of the Oskil (this is the region where the starved defenders from the article were/are). Are those same Western outlets coming forward to say say they were wrong about Kupiansk? Do you think that will ever happen? Or will it be like Pokrovsk where they were still pretending the city is in contention when the contact line is tens of kilometers to the northwest?

Funny you should put it like that. Where is that sign in relation to the city center, especially the all-important bridge over the Oskil River?

The level of logistic collapse you need to get soldiers this emaciated is far beyond the failure of a single individual. This is absolutely evidence of the systemic collapse of the UA that every realist has been saying is inevitable for years.

Also, if anyone was paying attention, this is Kupiansk - does everyone remember the big propaganda push with Zelensky taking that selfie in front of the sign? Did it trail off to an embarrassed whisper like every single other of these propaganda pushes?

I thought Ukraine was winning the war and to say otherwise is Russian propaganda? What gives, The Guardian?

I love your telling of the story but there is one very inconvenient detail.

They definitely weren’t alone on the ISS, there was a full complement of crew from both Dragon and Soyuz in the station with them

Their argument is that the big tech companies are allowing their AI to be used to help target Iran (which they obviously are). This would arguably make the data centers powering the AI a legitimate military target

No one can wrap (late but somehow still early) opportunism in a rousing speech like macron

The year is 1945 2027 and it’s a mad dash to the Nazi capitol to prevent those dirty Russians from being the sole captors and thus being free to ask some very uncomfortable questions.

Also how can the western powers possibly run NATO and develop aerospace technology without pardoned nazis-in-exile?

The Euros will not allow their their remaining surface fleet to be sunk in a suicide mission in Hormuz, no matter how much they glaze Ukraine

There’s three factions.

On the liberal instances, you can easily get banned for questioning the USAGM script and saying anything positive about Bad Country (For instance, perceiving and mentioning anything ever happening in Ukraine before February 2022)

Their ideological opponent is the ML instances. The most likely reason to get banned on these instances is doing racist dog whistles, even ones that are traditionally tolerated in the west. A common pastime is liberal posters coming to the ML instances and posting the most insane mask-off fascist takes and getting banned, then starting drama posts in the several comms they have for this purpose

The anarchist instances are (unsurprisingly) less in ideological lockstep. The interesting thing that can happen is getting banned for hating on AI too much. Sometimes they will side with the liberals, sometimes the MLs, depending on the issue

Then I suppose there’s also instances like .zip that by all appearances are neutral in the conflict

In addition to what others have said the EU doesn’t have fiscal authority (it can’t tax and spend) and relatedly can’t issue “Eurobonds”. Both of those are likely terminal blockers for a would-be reserve currency

Fucking belly laugh, thanks comrade

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deep breath

PROPAGANDA, AMIRITE GUISE???

waits for applause

scurries away

This media comes from Bad Country, therefore I will dismiss it out of hand