I feel in the minority on this. It felt like watching someone else play a video game as a plot.

The ideas were OK, but the slapstick seemed crazy childish to me. I just did not get into it at any point.

Like I didn’t think it was just ok, I was pretty actively turned away by it.

Could be just not in my style, but it was the first time I’ve watched something and completely misunderstood the hype. I can listen to music or watch movies & tv shows and not be that into it but understand it. Succession was that way. Wasn’t for me, but could see the appeal.

Hundreds of Beavers was just awful for me personally.

I think it was peak buyers remorse. People wanted electric but didn’t fully know the downsides. For example, our Bolt had a battery that said like 230 miles. I’m in the Midwest… Cold highway driving makes that like 140 or so, no joke. It’s just not a road trip car.

We knew that going in, so it’s a great second car. But I think some people realized that no road trip ability plus hour long charging stops were just not going to cut it.

Legit in the dead of winter it was like 60/40 driving vs charging time. Charging for an hour got you like 90 minutes of driving.

I got a 2021 Chevy Bolt. Insanely cheap, has worked great. We have the highest trim model, but you can get lower ones with less features.

In the peak of used car nonsense post covid, we traded a 2012 Nissan Sentra (no trim level) with 80k miles for the 2021 Bolt with less than 3k miles. After tax incentives, I think the difference was $2,500. It didn’t make sense at the time and still doesn’t. But people were really afraid of electric cars then.

I agree with your larger point, but I think the super bowl comparison is poor. Popularity has changed so ticket prices will have gone up. The first Super Bowl is not what it is today. The luxury car example was a much better like-for-like comparison.

I’m never going to say don’t wait for facts.

But the issue is that “the facts” can take years to assertain… Sometimes there’s a lot of damage that can be done.

It’s a delicate balance. People weaponize “wait for the facts” to just delay and dull the impact. Like most things, it’s not black and white.

I don’t think saying “most” is the best application here.

Honestly, I think we have to recognize that even the appearance of sincerity is honestly further than where most politics is at right now.

You don’t necessarily have to praise it if you think that, but at least we can give credit that at least the words were the right message, even if you think the intention was not.

We need to reset the bar. I think people (not you) are actively trying to say that it was all fake and she only did it for political gain, etc. Maybe that’s true, but at least for right now her message was good. I mean Trump’s portion was a fucking disaster.

We don’t have to praise it, but it’s hard to criticize. I think the criticism galvanizes harsher responses, and it’s an easy thing to focus on as a good thing. Yes, forgiveness is a good thing. I mean she actually spoke about Jesus in correct context and didn’t completely bastardize the message to jail refugees in inhumane conditions. It’s a step in the right direction, even of the intention was hollow.

At least we could start there.

I don’t like most of the responses here so I’m offer my own. Love is not found it is built.

My wife and I got married young. I’m 34 and I’ll be celebrating my 9th anniversary in under a week.

Love is where all those things come together. We have the deepest friendship. We’re weird in the same ways and we’ve basically developed our own brand of humor. I can make my wife laugh literally with a look.

Love is also a commitment to never, ever bail. It’s unlike anything else. With friends, you still try to be good company or you wouldn’t tell them the deep thoughts. But my wife and I can share anything. We’re so intertwined that there’s more understanding than judgment. We can say things we don’t like about people, about the world, about ourselves. We can be truly vulnerable.

We didn’t find love, we built it. From 25 to 34 I’m a phenomenally different person, but we’re like two planets oscillating around each other. Our orbit influences the other, and vice versa. We never would have been these people if we weren’t together. With most friends I feel like they may have some influence… But in marriage it’s just undeniable.

It’s a truly unique thing. But I will say I couldn’t understand it until I had it. And I still don’t. Dating for 4 years wasn’t the same as marriage after 1 which wasn’t the same as marriage after 5 and that’s not the same as it is now after almost 9 years. It’s always growing, always deepening, and it’s just insanely personal at a very deep level.

I would hope so. I think it would be the right thing to do. But I don’t think Democrats would see all the “instant landslide wins” that are talked about. I don’t think they can accurately predict how that will go. I just don’t buy that the average non-voter is definitely voting Democrat.

But again - we should push for it because I think it’s the right thing to do, not because I think it’s good strategy.

I don’t think this is clear cut anymore. Low information voters broke very hard for Trump. Democrats have work to do to win back the average voter, but the adage of “we win when people turn out” broke in this last election.

Democrats need to get off their ass and offer something better. The fact that Trump won so handily should be a damn wake up call that they are out of touch. Republicans message sucks ass, but it still beat the hell out of Democrats. The party leadership needs an overhaul because they are floundering and trotting out these old adages excuses how piss poor they’ve done leading the party.

No.

And by no I mean we’re not just now asking that. A lot of us already knew we were the baddies. We have been.

I asked it who will win the super bowl later today and it said it didn’t know.

That’s the same thing as what you were asking, from a timeline perspective.

I’m pretty shocked that you’re getting downvoted for saying that a murder might not be the way to invoke change.

That’s pretty nuts to me. Everyone seems like they are trying to justify this… Why are we justifying murder? People can be pretty devoid of empathy. I understand that people want change, and that we need it. I worked in health insurance and know how wasteful it is and how much pain it causes.

Pseudo-celebrating a murder and trying to back-justify it is about the same as actively hoping/campaigning that it happens. It honestly seems like some people are on here with the mentality that any CEO should be moderately expecting to be murdered, and that it is acceptable to live in a world that operates that way.

I mean the polls for Biden were bad and getting worse. Harris was only down a couple points… Biden was down double digits. I hate to say it, but with the 2 point polling error, Biden had 0 path to make it. I don’t know a single state that he would have taken off of Trump.

Technically… But there’s also a lot of waste from the 500 pack that people throw out half of. It likely evens out.

I have to say this is not a good take. Polls aren’t all the same, but news outlets treat them like they are. Even the same pollsters come up with slightly different numbers each time they run them.

Because there is a certain amount of uncertainty doesn’t make them invalid. We just need to be more educated on filtering the good from the bad.

You sort of have 2 options:

1. Get educated on polling errors, the statistics, and the methodologies of the polls and arrive at your own conclusions.

2. Ignore anything written by the main media outlets about polls, because looking at a single poll is really dumb.

They definitely do matter, and there’s validity to them, but they don’t claim to be the exact truth. If you know how to use them, they are quite helpful.

These are great points. I’ll have to think on this a bit further - thanks for the info!

I see your points here. I don’t think they are wrong, but I have a different opinion on Trump’s election.

I think the onset of social media created a real shit storm of misinformation particularly during the Obama years. I don’t think it was backlash because he was black (though I admit this is not knowable, just my opinion), but more because of the overall grievance with how things operate.

You can’t really separate race out of the equation, because I think Democrats had good messaging showing the effects of institutional racism and sexism against minority groups, particularly at a systemic level. However, there was a massive concentration of wealth in America at the same time.

Trumo came along and his message wasn’t really that novel. He just said hey, this shit sucks for everyone, not just minorities. White people are getting screwed too. And I’m the guy that’s going to fight for the rural voter.

I take your point that it’s not outright racism. It’s not someone saying I’m not voting for this person solely because they are X, it’s some end around way of going about it. But I think Trump played the White Greivance card and I think Democrats are getting a little better at leaning into it. The unfortunate truth is that both things are totally true. White people are getting screwed (concentration of wealth to hover levels) AND minorities groups are getting screwed (because of systematic racist effects that are still residual in daily life for them).

As I’m talking this out, I’m not sure where to land. There’s multiple pieces here that intersect with race, but I’m not sure they are the core tenant. I think there might be some voters who realize that everyone is getting screwed, but maybe worry that Harris would prioritize racial issues before overall everyone getting boned issues. Maybe that’s the group?

Didn’t come to a great conclusion, but your comment had some layers to it so it got me thinking.

I think you skipped part of the argument. I’m sure those people exist, but what about the number of disengaged voters who were over Joe Biden or disagreed with him on various issues? I think the number of votes lost because of race or gender is not 0, but the gains through reinvigoration are far, far higher.

Right… We become beholden to the laggards of social progress because we think we can’t win without them, and we alienate and stagnate the progress of those doing the most.

This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.

People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.