Meanwhile the US just gave an 8.7bn dollar package to Israel to continue killing Gazan and now Lebanese children with terror methods like the pager attack.

But Trump will somehow be worse? So I should support the people who are complicit in what’s going on now?

No I refuse

Good so you also feel shame then?

OK I don’t understand your logic. They spend billions of dollars to get people to vote. Door knockers are there to get people like me to vote. Do you not understand how elections work?

OK well tell me about Michigan Arabs and how much power they are holding in this election.

If not voting is so powerless then why are you all so upset about the idea of people not voting?

OK so I should vote for the people who quietly stand by and let weapon manufacturers profit from genocide? Who now Israel invade Lebanon? They are so ethical and deserving of my vote.

How do you even know Trump would cause extinction of Palestinians??? That’s pure speculation while the current people in power are actually letting war crimes happen

Look how angry you are at a stranger on the internet! 😂

Ah yes, I should be ashamed. Certainly not the people in power who stand by and let American guns kill children on Gaza. Certainly not people like you who have decided that you’re fine with it

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Liberals are fascists 🤷

Actually, voting for the “lesser evil” is how we got into those mess and how it will continue

We need serious and deep election reforms in our country. These parties are trash. “Less evil” is still evil. You’ll look the other way for the next four years while Gazans continue to die from American bullets

Don’t vote! It feels great!

If Democrats see Gazan children as totally expendable, what makes you think they see anybody else differently?

OK then it sounds like voting and not voting have the same result so why should I bother?

This is totally illogical and you know it. And your Starbucks gift card “metaphor” is a complete false equivalence.

Why do parties run campaigns if their job isn’t convince voters? Billions of dollars and endless hours of research are spent courting votes but you say it’s not their job and they don’t care? Wha???

I wish anybody would pay me!

If enough people stop voting it would force the government to legitimize itself. It would show how many people are actually dissatisfied and empower all of us. It could lead to more people refusing to vote in future, further eroding the appearance of legitimacy of the current arrangement

Would you rather I stop posting here and vote for Trump instead?

Is genocide OK because Biden and then kamala Harris will be letting it happen?

Address each point?

1. You MUST NOT vote. If you don’t like the choice then you have freedom to abstain

2. You can vote in local elections and abstain from races in which you don’t like the choices. I firmly believe we need “none of the above” on all ballot races

3. Participation in government is not only limited to voting. See my Point 1 in the previous comment. If anything, insistence on voting as the be-all-end-all allows people to ignore the actual hard work of democratic responsibilities

4. “unpopular ideas get no competition” is logically false. If both choices are unpopular or unsatisfactory, the ideas are competing against the threat of losing the race due to apathetic voters

5. What rights have ever been gained by voting? In the US, pretty much every positive social and legislative change came via collective direct organization and action and/or threat of violence (if not actual violence).

Your talking points are tired, illogical, and smack of received wisdom rather than coming from a deliberately thought-out set of ideas and understanding of the world.

I ask you this: How do you know I will vote how you want me to vote?

1. Voting is the easiest, least frequent form of participating in democracy

2. Not voting is a valid democratic choice until they give us a choice that includes “none of the above” on every ballot race

3. It’s not on me, it’s on the candidates and parties to court my vote. They don’t even bother 🤷

4. Not voting gets to systemic change. Voting tells the system that you’re satisfied with its current form

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I won’t vote at all

Trump winning would be hilarious though, watching liberals melt down after justifying genocide for a year

Not voting for is the best strategy. If everyone who was dissatisfied would stop voting, there would be more progress than continuing to choose the “lesser of two evils” (who happily enable and cheer for genocide, BTW)