You’re missing the entire point, likely in bad faith. Here’s the deal: democracy allows the people to decide their fate. Israel was a project to bring democracy to the middle east. Everything else is a distraction by authoritarian forces across the world. They need it to fail because democracy itself is a threat to their hold on power.
Palestinians should have (in the past at least) worked to be a part of Israel. It was their chance at freedom and they refused to share it with Jews. Now that doesn’t matter because fascism rose, Israel fucked up, and now the world must do for the Palestinians what it did for the Jews after the Holocaust.
You are the bad actor. Democracy is internal has nothing to do with the fact that Zionists immigrant forced a state on the local population and did ethnic cleansing in 48. Stop pretending that Zionism was not a supremacist ideology
Nobody is tricked by your disingenuous mention of democracy to deflect and trying to making it about jews vs Arabs.
Palestinians should have (in the past at least) worked to be a part of Israel. It was their chance at freedom and they refused to share it with Jews
Arab suggested a one state solution with equal rights to everybody, Israel never did . A one state where west bankers and Gazan become citizens on Israel would go against the fundamental of Zionism which is a Jewish state
Zionists being emigrants is a fact through, palestinian being the local population is a fact. Don’t conflate zionists with jews in general, i know there always was some jews who never left the land, doesn’t make thr europeen zionists having right to force the state on thrm
Don’t conflate “local population” with “free people,” which they could have been had they the foresight to work through the shitty situation. They would be Jordanians today. Idk much about modern Jordan because it’s not a democracy and doesn’t have a free press. It has a king. A ruler. An authoritarian. Meanwhile Arabs inside Israel have representation and are working up and out of the apartheid that very much is real and problematic. You’d have to go to Jordan to ask the local population if they would prefer democracy over their king.
I won’t let you deflect. Palestinians are local population, Zionists immigrants came to the land and said you have you give us part of your land so we can build a state majoritarily for us. How don’t you realize how ridiculous this is ?
You keep talking about democracy while Israel has normalized relation with many autocratic countries. The Jordan you criticize are intercepting missiles for Israel have some self respect and stop being ungrateful
Stop with your mental gymnastic . Just because you buy lands in another place doesn’t give you the right to force a state on local population . They only had 9% and wanted the local population to give up 55% of the land but ended up controlling whole Palestine like predicted by Zionists. Also European settlers did similar tricks against first nation in America. The treaties first nation signed was technically legal but was immoral and everybody agree that genocide against them was terrible
After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine** - Ben Gurion
Partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann
The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” - Menachem Begin
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country.
Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly
And like i already say some Palestinian suggested a one state solution with equal right for every why Zionists refuse such a logical solution?
The international community agree that settlements in west bank is illegal if Israel truly believe in Palestine right to a state and believe in peace they wouldn’t build them, they wouldn’t sponsor settler terrorism
You’re missing the entire point, likely in bad faith. Here’s the deal: democracy allows the people to decide their fate. Israel was a project to bring democracy to the middle east. Everything else is a distraction by authoritarian forces across the world. They need it to fail because democracy itself is a threat to their hold on power.
Palestinians should have (in the past at least) worked to be a part of Israel. It was their chance at freedom and they refused to share it with Jews. Now that doesn’t matter because fascism rose, Israel fucked up, and now the world must do for the Palestinians what it did for the Jews after the Holocaust.
You are the bad actor. Democracy is internal has nothing to do with the fact that Zionists immigrant forced a state on the local population and did ethnic cleansing in 48. Stop pretending that Zionism was not a supremacist ideology
Nobody is tricked by your disingenuous mention of democracy to deflect and trying to making it about jews vs Arabs.
Arab suggested a one state solution with equal rights to everybody, Israel never did . A one state where west bankers and Gazan become citizens on Israel would go against the fundamental of Zionism which is a Jewish state
Who were ruled by whom?
Zionists being emigrants is a fact through, palestinian being the local population is a fact. Don’t conflate zionists with jews in general, i know there always was some jews who never left the land, doesn’t make thr europeen zionists having right to force the state on thrm
Don’t conflate “local population” with “free people,” which they could have been had they the foresight to work through the shitty situation. They would be Jordanians today. Idk much about modern Jordan because it’s not a democracy and doesn’t have a free press. It has a king. A ruler. An authoritarian. Meanwhile Arabs inside Israel have representation and are working up and out of the apartheid that very much is real and problematic. You’d have to go to Jordan to ask the local population if they would prefer democracy over their king.
I won’t let you deflect. Palestinians are local population, Zionists immigrants came to the land and said you have you give us part of your land so we can build a state majoritarily for us. How don’t you realize how ridiculous this is ?
You keep talking about democracy while Israel has normalized relation with many autocratic countries. The Jordan you criticize are intercepting missiles for Israel have some self respect and stop being ungrateful
Of course they emigrated. And they purchased the land. You think Herzl is all Jews. You’re antisemitic.
Stop with your mental gymnastic . Just because you buy lands in another place doesn’t give you the right to force a state on local population . They only had 9% and wanted the local population to give up 55% of the land but ended up controlling whole Palestine like predicted by Zionists. Also European settlers did similar tricks against first nation in America. The treaties first nation signed was technically legal but was immoral and everybody agree that genocide against them was terrible
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
And like i already say some Palestinian suggested a one state solution with equal right for every why Zionists refuse such a logical solution?
The international community agree that settlements in west bank is illegal if Israel truly believe in Palestine right to a state and believe in peace they wouldn’t build them, they wouldn’t sponsor settler terrorism
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