They love authoritarianism, they’re bootlickers, so they latch onto Russia, China and North Korea. They completely ignore real communist countries like Cuba or Vietnam.
A communist society needs to be stateless. Therefore authoritarian communism is an oxymoron. Is that what you were asking?
Now, whether this type of society envisioned by Marx is even possible is a whole separate question but that has no bearing on the fact that no so-called “communists” have ever achieved it.
They’re just undemocratic totalitarian states where the government has unrestrained control over basically every aspect of society. Overall, they’re in the same broad category as other dictatorships. There’s nothing particularly special about them other than good propaganda. Some of them did have stronger welfare states but I don’t think this makes them categorically different.
Hello, communist here, No. Those places are NOT communist.
In fact, even they admit that they have not achieved communism, and communism is (from a marxist perspective, although there’s much feuding about this) meant to be a gradual process after a revolution. These places haven’t even achieved socialism.
The general idea is that there have been modes of production throughout history, first hunter gatherer, then agricultural feudalism, then capitalism, what communists believe is that the next step will be socialism. The reason they believe socialism will be next is because capitalism is defined by a class struggle between those who sell their labour and those who use others sold labour to profit. The next step is therefore to not have a class struggle between these two, the various ideas for what that might be like are socialist and communist.
Socialism is specifically when the workers own the means of production, communism is to take it yet another step further and abolish the state, currency, all forms of class division, etc.
Those are states claiming to be BUILDING communism… whether or not you believe them is a whole different story. I personally don’t, I think it’s POSSIBLE china actually might someday although probably against their governments will, but that’s a story for another day.
As for why Communists support these countries?
They believe that these authoritarian policies are a necessary evil meant for building communism, they do not believe that the evil things these countries are doing are communism, they don’t support the evil things these countries are doing, they just believe that they have no alternative in a world that is trying to crush communism, from their perspective all of the people with power, the bourgeois, are trying to prevent communism from taking hold, and these are VERY powerful people.
I personally believe it’s incredibly silly to assume that a government has your best interests at heart just because they say so, which is why i’m not a tankie. I hope this helps your understanding of what they believe.
They love authoritarianism, they’re bootlickers, so they latch onto Russia, China and North Korea. They completely ignore real communist countries like Cuba or Vietnam.
Cuba is also quite authoritarian afaik. Just not the warmongering kind.
So is Vietnam. It’s an authoritarian one-party state with no political freedoms, no free press etc.
yeah, but that’s actual communism, so tankies don’t want to talk about them.
Some of em absolutely love to talk about Vietnam, particularly Luna oi.
Is it though? I don’t think so. Authoritarian communism is an oxymoron, despite what most people think.
How is it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society
A communist society needs to be stateless. Therefore authoritarian communism is an oxymoron. Is that what you were asking?
Now, whether this type of society envisioned by Marx is even possible is a whole separate question but that has no bearing on the fact that no so-called “communists” have ever achieved it.
So what are the Soviet Union, Mao China, Vietnam and Cuba?
They’re just undemocratic totalitarian states where the government has unrestrained control over basically every aspect of society. Overall, they’re in the same broad category as other dictatorships. There’s nothing particularly special about them other than good propaganda. Some of them did have stronger welfare states but I don’t think this makes them categorically different.
Are Hexbear, Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml communist?
Hello, communist here, No. Those places are NOT communist.
In fact, even they admit that they have not achieved communism, and communism is (from a marxist perspective, although there’s much feuding about this) meant to be a gradual process after a revolution. These places haven’t even achieved socialism.
The general idea is that there have been modes of production throughout history, first hunter gatherer, then agricultural feudalism, then capitalism, what communists believe is that the next step will be socialism. The reason they believe socialism will be next is because capitalism is defined by a class struggle between those who sell their labour and those who use others sold labour to profit. The next step is therefore to not have a class struggle between these two, the various ideas for what that might be like are socialist and communist.
Socialism is specifically when the workers own the means of production, communism is to take it yet another step further and abolish the state, currency, all forms of class division, etc.
Those are states claiming to be BUILDING communism… whether or not you believe them is a whole different story. I personally don’t, I think it’s POSSIBLE china actually might someday although probably against their governments will, but that’s a story for another day.
As for why Communists support these countries?
They believe that these authoritarian policies are a necessary evil meant for building communism, they do not believe that the evil things these countries are doing are communism, they don’t support the evil things these countries are doing, they just believe that they have no alternative in a world that is trying to crush communism, from their perspective all of the people with power, the bourgeois, are trying to prevent communism from taking hold, and these are VERY powerful people.
I personally believe it’s incredibly silly to assume that a government has your best interests at heart just because they say so, which is why i’m not a tankie. I hope this helps your understanding of what they believe.
Sounds like your entire argument is based on nothing but semantic and personal opinion as to what true communism is.
Good luck trying to change society if you claim ‘But that’s not real communism!’ every each time
Cuba and Vietnam aren’t exactly shining beacons of democracy
Yeah, that’s a recurring theme of communist regimes.
Don’t tell that to Lemmy
How dare the tankies be communists
Never said they are lol
Do you only post to disagree with comments you reply to?
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The reddit lemmy situation shows that people don’t make the right choices on their own, at least not without the right education.
Which other options do communists have to change society?