I bet they do, but the only thing Russia is willing to accept is complete surrender.
And the rest are not draft eligible I guess…
A story from personal experience: most of my friends from Ukraine wanted the war to end from the very beginning. There was one exception though - a real patriot who considered Zelensky a hero and the best president we’ve ever had, “Slava Ukraini”, “Russians are orcs”, you know the type.
What on Earth could make such a patriot change his mind? Just like me he doesn’t live in Ukraine, and about a year ago Zelensky started trying hard to forcefully return people from abroad to use as a cannon fodder (thankfully, he failed)… That made him change his opinion very fast :)And every war supporter out there is the same… The war is OK, as long as it’s not me who is forbidden to leave the country and gets kidnapped off a street to be used as a cannon fodder.
There’s no such thing as peace talks in this war. Russia wants it all, any Ukrainian who live in Ukraine will be forced into assimilation and I doubt they all want that. Your friends are maybe spineless cowards I don’t know
There’s no such thing as peace talks in this war. Russia wants it all, any Ukrainian who live in Ukraine will be forced into assimilation and I doubt they all want that.
Why? What on Earth could be a reason for doubting people would prefer to live rather than die?? It’s literally written right here, in the article, from a western media outlet, that people don’t want to fight and avoid it AT ALL COST, people would rather die trying to escape the country to the freedom than die for Zelensky’s regime, and there are people on the frontlines just because Zelensky’s murderous regime is forcing people to be there, mostly by kidnapping (busifying) them… And you are still “doubting”…
Your friends are maybe spineless cowards I don’t know
Yeah yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before… “If you don’t want to fight for MY interests than YOU are a coward”. Doesn’t work on anyone with at least half a brain, sorry :)
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Funny how all the bravest Ukrainian patriots live in western countries now.
I mean, same is true for Russian patriots, no?
Russians abroad always talk about how great the motherland is, but nobody wants to move back there and not just because of the war. Or have you moved back to Russia yet?
Don’t worry, there are some in Ukraine as well.
My favourite one is currently “Oleksander Leonenko”. He seems like a very patriotic guy from Odessa, self-identifies as a “language inspector”, his T-shirt print roughly translates to the following: “talk to me in UKRAINIAN, I live in Ukraine and I DON’T UNDERSTAND Russian”, etc.He is bravely defending Ukraine against the invasion of orcs right now!
Ah, wait no, sorry my bad, actually he was detained by conscription officers on 13th (his boyfriend used some extremely weird words when describing the situation - “police illegally kidnapped a person”… Sounds like Russian propaganda if you ask me, this literally never happens in Ukraine, why do Ukrainian sources even share this obvious misinformation…), and on 19th he started asking for donations attempting to raise 500k uah = 12k usd in order to “save his life”. Not sure what are those money for, but definitely not for a bribe.Doubt he’s “from” Odesa. The country side around Odesa spawns Ukrainian Nationalists like crazy.
The language wars have been the funniest shit to me since I was a kid in Odesa. Especially with what happened now, half the country goes on Duo Lingo overnight. Having grown up with this stupid shit, it was really funny to immigrate to the US and learn about like the slave trade and Jim Crow, and be like “damn Ukrainians really do love to complain”.
Which is heavily ironic because my dad immediately went the other way and just became mildly racist about how “black people be demanding things”. Shit’s hilarious because it was always like “in 1876 we were forced to cut out our tongues with the Ems decree, and we couldn’t celebrate the Taras Sevchenko centennial, and the evil Soviets made Russian the academic lingua franca”. But the people who literally couldn’t vote until 1964 and couldn’t live in certain neighborhoods (even to this day) are entitled.
It’s such a silly fucking position because of it’s wishy washy historicity once you start to “collect evidence” and ultimately it’s like if all complaints of oppression in America by black people were summed up with “they wouldn’t let us talk jive”.
It’s also really funny because if Ukraine fulfills it’s wildest EU/NATO/US FREEDOM dreams, in 10 years there will be less Russian and Ukranian than there is now. It will be like Iceland or Ireland where it’s fully colonized by capitalist English due to the economic realities, and there will be a large language divide between the younger and older generations in the country. Ukrainians only cling tightly to their traditions for their traditional enemies. They’ll gleefully shed all that for Westernization because it’s “the way of the world”. Sure they’ll be the classic holdouts of Galicia, but practically the country will erase its own language and culture much like Iceland and other countries suffering from success under neocolonialism.
most of my friends from Ukraine wanted the war to end from the very beginning.
Nobody in Ukraine wander this war to happen at all, but Russia went ahead and invaded them anyway, so they didn’t have any real choice in the matter.
so they didn’t have any real choice in the matter.
Choice? Let’s talk about choice.
We don’t have any choice not because of Putin’s actions, but because of Zelensky’s.
It’s his regime that forbids people to leave the country.
It’s his regime that kidnaps people off the streets and send them to the meatgrinder every day.So what I’m gathering is, you rather would prefer to live under Russian rule?
Would I rather live under Russian rule than die? Yes of course.
And the majority of Ukrainians would prefer that as well. And despite what you’re (probably) going to say, this is not just my opinion, this is a fact - Zelensky has to prevent people from leaving the country, he has to kidnap people off the streets just so that there is some cannon fodder to prolong the war. People either hide at home, or run from recruitment officers. People would rather die trying to escape the country than die on a battlefield fighting for Zelensky’s regime. And even western medias are writing about it now, it’s not taboo anymore. Zelensky tries real hard to convince people that Putin will exterminate Ukrainians. And yet, it’s you (probably) who believes him, not the actual people who are supposedly about to be exterminated.
Seriously, just stop for a moment and think - if Russia is as evil as some try to portrait it - why is Zelensky having so much trouble with conscription? Why those stupid stupid Ukrainians don’t go and fight for their survival against Putin who is going to destroy them? Maybe, just maybe, it’s actually propaganda?
Okay, that’s fair, Ukrainians never faced any serious discrimination under Russian rule. Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations. By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?
Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations.
Oh well, I never really said that Russia is good, it has done lots of bad things, including to the Baltic states.
It’s just that what Zelensky is doing to us is infinitely worse than what would probably be “under Russian rule”.
By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?
Holodomor - my great grandmother lived through it, I have little reason to doubt it or think that it is anti-Russian propaganda, it was terrible.
Crimean Tatars - I’m not very familiar with this topic so I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to (I guess it’s the deportations?), but I’m sure it was also indeed a bad thing.
