I feel like all of your arguments are just from your experience only.
Personal experience and those that I’ve heard and seen, sure. As are all of our opinions. I saw the other day someone using Debian (I think, maybe it was another distro) while avoiding the terminal. You can’t even do that with Windows.
96% of people haven’t, because they don’t want to.
That is not an accurate statement. The vast majority haven’t even considered that there’s another option, besides Mac maybe if they’re aware of that. It’s like saying 99% of people aren’t billionaires because they don’t want to be. They didn’t make a choice.
For your car analogy, I agree with it. It’s pretty accurate. The issue is this person was doing fairly serious maintenance of his automatic car. He wasn’t just driving it around because it’s easier. They spent time gaining knowledge and experience because they’re automatic was breaking down in a way the manual wouldn’t have had issue with. They wouldn’t have much trouble making the switch.
Fine, let’s go back to your original argument of it would be easier to switch to Linux then disable windows updates.
So I’ll tell you my experience switching my server from Windows server 2018 to Debain.
The sever has 4 hdds and 2 sdds.
I kept 1 ssd exclusively for the OS incase it breaks, I can format without import data loss quickly.
Windows likes to use the NTFS for data storage, so I had all my drives formated as such. Anyways I start the install, a thing iv done countless times.
Install went flawless. Debain was up and running in like 15 mins. Super simple. So I start to get it setup the way I want. As I go to add my ssds and hdds I start having issues. Linux doesn’t natively support NTFS. I didn’t realize that at the time. I didn’t see anything about that before I started the install.
I know I could get some wonky work around that let’s Linux read/write to NTFS, but why do that when there is a file format that Windows and Linux can both use? Fat32. I wanna do it right, so I do.
So now I got to unplug all my drives, connect them to an external usb to hdd, transfer the data to another HD in my gaming pc, format the drive, put the data back into the drive, mount and reconnect it back to the server pc. I had to do that for 4 drives. Ranging from 120 gig to 4tb. The other ssd I had to remove one from my gaming pc and server m.2 slot, install the server one, backup data, format, pit data back on, remove from m.2 slot, reinstall both ssds.
All of that, just to have a Linux server that could natively handle the default windows file format.
Was it worth it? Yes, but it would have been much easier to tolerate Windows.
I consider myself very experienced with tech stuff and I still messed this up. I could have prevented this by figuring out storage before the format, but that one peice of missing info caused all of that.
I won’t even start on all the small tedious things I have to on Linux VS doing the same thing on Windows. (I wish g hub was able to run on linux)
All of that, just to have a Linux server that could natively handle the default windows file format.
All of that has nothing to do with standard operation of Linux. I also switched from Windows, and I haven’t reformatted two of my drives. They work perfectly fine. They are NTFS. I have used them on Ubuntu, Fedora, and now Garuda. I didn’t have to install any other packages or anything for them to work. Debian probably just doesn’t include it by default, but every distro I’ve tried does. Linux doesn’t natively support many things, which is why distros include a lot.
The average Windows user switching their computer will probably choose a desktop focused distro that will include this support by default. It won’t be an issue, and if it is then it’s only a time-sink, not difficulty, as you move files to storage temporarily while you reformat.
I won’t even start on all the small tedious things I have to on Linux VS doing the same thing on Windows. (I wish g hub was able to run on linux)
Yeah, some things are annoying, but some things suck on Windows too. Have you ever edited your registries on Windows (I’m sure the answer is yes.) It’s not a fun process, and you can fuck things up easily. There’s no need to do things like that on Linux.
As for G-Hub, yeah it sucks it doesn’t work, but there’s Solaar that does most of it, just in a harder to use package. That’s a choice by Logitech to not support Linux though, not a difficulty intrinsic to Linux. They will support it if more people change over.
Where did I say Linux doesn’t have flaws. You’re just here arguing that it can’t be useful to a person who is already clearly technically savvy because you have some issue with it or something. You needed to come here and argue with me that it isn’t perfect for literally every person because I brought it up as an alternative for someone who is clearly capable of learning it.
Everything has flaws, and that’s especially true for large projects, like Linux, Windows, or Mac. The difference is that with Linux you don’t need to fight it with things like the OP had to do where they disabled updates, presumably through registry edits.
Some people talk about people recommending Linux are loud (it’s FOSS and we’re on a FOSS platform, so it’s appropriate), but the fact some people just have to come and say “it isn’t perfect, so you can’t recommend it” is insane.
I am sorry but you aren’t good at tech stuff if you are having these issues. It’s common knowledge that macOS and Windows don’t use the same file system, why would you assume Linux is any different? macOS meanwhile can’t write to Windows partitions at all by default. Windows can’t even read Linux ones. Linux is actually the good guy here, it can read and write to Windows partitions, and even read macOS ones I believe.
Backing up all your stuff before formatting or reinstalling is common practice. You tried to get away from that by using multiple drives without actually thinking through the consequences.
Also using Fat32 is a terrible idea. Use ExFAT, or better yet just use a real Linux file system and be done with it. Honestly you could have stuck with NTFS and it would work better than trying to use FAT32.
This is like amateur hour for running servers.
Up until this point your arguments sort of made sense. You do tend to run into more issues on Linux than Windows, primarily because of the lack of support from third parties but sometimes because of Linux distro shenanigans too, and the community is kind of toxic. But my god this last couple comments reframe it all. Your trying to do things beyond your understanding then blaming Linux when they go wrong. By the sounds of it you aren’t even running RAID or have any kind of data integrity/bit rot protection.
Personal experience and those that I’ve heard and seen, sure. As are all of our opinions. I saw the other day someone using Debian (I think, maybe it was another distro) while avoiding the terminal. You can’t even do that with Windows.
That is not an accurate statement. The vast majority haven’t even considered that there’s another option, besides Mac maybe if they’re aware of that. It’s like saying 99% of people aren’t billionaires because they don’t want to be. They didn’t make a choice.
For your car analogy, I agree with it. It’s pretty accurate. The issue is this person was doing fairly serious maintenance of his automatic car. He wasn’t just driving it around because it’s easier. They spent time gaining knowledge and experience because they’re automatic was breaking down in a way the manual wouldn’t have had issue with. They wouldn’t have much trouble making the switch.
Fine, let’s go back to your original argument of it would be easier to switch to Linux then disable windows updates.
So I’ll tell you my experience switching my server from Windows server 2018 to Debain.
The sever has 4 hdds and 2 sdds. I kept 1 ssd exclusively for the OS incase it breaks, I can format without import data loss quickly.
Windows likes to use the NTFS for data storage, so I had all my drives formated as such. Anyways I start the install, a thing iv done countless times.
Install went flawless. Debain was up and running in like 15 mins. Super simple. So I start to get it setup the way I want. As I go to add my ssds and hdds I start having issues. Linux doesn’t natively support NTFS. I didn’t realize that at the time. I didn’t see anything about that before I started the install.
I know I could get some wonky work around that let’s Linux read/write to NTFS, but why do that when there is a file format that Windows and Linux can both use? Fat32. I wanna do it right, so I do.
So now I got to unplug all my drives, connect them to an external usb to hdd, transfer the data to another HD in my gaming pc, format the drive, put the data back into the drive, mount and reconnect it back to the server pc. I had to do that for 4 drives. Ranging from 120 gig to 4tb. The other ssd I had to remove one from my gaming pc and server m.2 slot, install the server one, backup data, format, pit data back on, remove from m.2 slot, reinstall both ssds.
All of that, just to have a Linux server that could natively handle the default windows file format.
Was it worth it? Yes, but it would have been much easier to tolerate Windows.
I consider myself very experienced with tech stuff and I still messed this up. I could have prevented this by figuring out storage before the format, but that one peice of missing info caused all of that.
I won’t even start on all the small tedious things I have to on Linux VS doing the same thing on Windows. (I wish g hub was able to run on linux)
It’s never as simple as “switching to Linux”.
All of that has nothing to do with standard operation of Linux. I also switched from Windows, and I haven’t reformatted two of my drives. They work perfectly fine. They are NTFS. I have used them on Ubuntu, Fedora, and now Garuda. I didn’t have to install any other packages or anything for them to work. Debian probably just doesn’t include it by default, but every distro I’ve tried does. Linux doesn’t natively support many things, which is why distros include a lot.
The average Windows user switching their computer will probably choose a desktop focused distro that will include this support by default. It won’t be an issue, and if it is then it’s only a time-sink, not difficulty, as you move files to storage temporarily while you reformat.
Yeah, some things are annoying, but some things suck on Windows too. Have you ever edited your registries on Windows (I’m sure the answer is yes.) It’s not a fun process, and you can fuck things up easily. There’s no need to do things like that on Linux.
As for G-Hub, yeah it sucks it doesn’t work, but there’s Solaar that does most of it, just in a harder to use package. That’s a choice by Logitech to not support Linux though, not a difficulty intrinsic to Linux. They will support it if more people change over.
My good god dude.
I don’t understand how you just can’t accept Linux has flaws and isn’t currently a be all end all OS.
Where did I say Linux doesn’t have flaws. You’re just here arguing that it can’t be useful to a person who is already clearly technically savvy because you have some issue with it or something. You needed to come here and argue with me that it isn’t perfect for literally every person because I brought it up as an alternative for someone who is clearly capable of learning it.
Everything has flaws, and that’s especially true for large projects, like Linux, Windows, or Mac. The difference is that with Linux you don’t need to fight it with things like the OP had to do where they disabled updates, presumably through registry edits.
Some people talk about people recommending Linux are loud (it’s FOSS and we’re on a FOSS platform, so it’s appropriate), but the fact some people just have to come and say “it isn’t perfect, so you can’t recommend it” is insane.
I am sorry but you aren’t good at tech stuff if you are having these issues. It’s common knowledge that macOS and Windows don’t use the same file system, why would you assume Linux is any different? macOS meanwhile can’t write to Windows partitions at all by default. Windows can’t even read Linux ones. Linux is actually the good guy here, it can read and write to Windows partitions, and even read macOS ones I believe.
Backing up all your stuff before formatting or reinstalling is common practice. You tried to get away from that by using multiple drives without actually thinking through the consequences.
Also using Fat32 is a terrible idea. Use ExFAT, or better yet just use a real Linux file system and be done with it. Honestly you could have stuck with NTFS and it would work better than trying to use FAT32.
This is like amateur hour for running servers.
Up until this point your arguments sort of made sense. You do tend to run into more issues on Linux than Windows, primarily because of the lack of support from third parties but sometimes because of Linux distro shenanigans too, and the community is kind of toxic. But my god this last couple comments reframe it all. Your trying to do things beyond your understanding then blaming Linux when they go wrong. By the sounds of it you aren’t even running RAID or have any kind of data integrity/bit rot protection.
Lol.
Is anything I have said actually wrong? Do you actually have any idea what you are doing?