this is one thing, do you understand how limiting it would make the browser? its not just window size, this is one example. and afaik if you spoof your window size you can break rendering of pages. again, you’re comprimising everyday usage. im not saying there isn’t a way at all, maybe there is, but it’s not some trivial thing, ive followed arkenfox for quite a few years and they’ve been saying the same. the amount of time it takes to make a redesign is nothing to making an unfingerprintable browser. if that’s even a thing. and remember that you cant spoof everything.
I didn’t say that? I’m just talking about the point you were making earlier about resizing the window. You said it would imply that not being able to resize our window for example, and I just provided a possible way to do exactly that. That’s all. And then counter argued your follow up point it would contribute to make me stand out more, that it in fact would decrease the possibility to stand out, not increase.
I’m not arguing that it would work for every webpage without breaking it, nor did I talk about the entire finger printability of a browser.
Users report the same size, fingerprinters now ignore this. They do still use JavaScript to determine the actual size of the window, and likely your resolution along with it.
If the browser is programmed to report a single size, then its impossible for JavaScript to determine the actual size. Because all JS would get is the same resolution. That’s the idea of the suggestion.
Okay, let’s say that the standard “what is the window size” JavaScript method is intercepted and altered, how do you handle setting an element to a specific percentage width and then determining how wide it is in pixels? Or any of the other ways I can think to accomplish this same thing?
If you intercept all of those, you effectively break any site with relative movement of elements with JavaScript.
If the browser size is a standard size which is often tested to work with, then i don’t see it as such a big of a deal. Most sites are also resolution independent. We are no longer in 2010. Do you know any site that could break because you don’t use a specific resolution?
If you spoof your resolution and window size to the degree that it’s undetectable you effectively have to render it in that resolution.
Guess how websites make it so that they work on any resolution? They use relative units and whatnot that make it work that way, and all that is detectable one way or another. So you’d have to spoof it all in order to resist fingerprinting - and that is either going to break the rendering, or it’s going to effectively render that website at that resolution, making it a bad experience for regular users either way.
I do wish this was an option for more “normal” browsers, and that they resisted fingerprinting better in some other ways, but you have to make serious compromises to make it work fully.
this is one thing, do you understand how limiting it would make the browser? its not just window size, this is one example. and afaik if you spoof your window size you can break rendering of pages. again, you’re comprimising everyday usage. im not saying there isn’t a way at all, maybe there is, but it’s not some trivial thing, ive followed arkenfox for quite a few years and they’ve been saying the same. the amount of time it takes to make a redesign is nothing to making an unfingerprintable browser. if that’s even a thing. and remember that you cant spoof everything.
I didn’t say that? I’m just talking about the point you were making earlier about resizing the window. You said it would imply that not being able to resize our window for example, and I just provided a possible way to do exactly that. That’s all. And then counter argued your follow up point it would contribute to make me stand out more, that it in fact would decrease the possibility to stand out, not increase.
I’m not arguing that it would work for every webpage without breaking it, nor did I talk about the entire finger printability of a browser.
Users report the same size, fingerprinters now ignore this. They do still use JavaScript to determine the actual size of the window, and likely your resolution along with it.
If the browser is programmed to report a single size, then its impossible for JavaScript to determine the actual size. Because all JS would get is the same resolution. That’s the idea of the suggestion.
That simply doesn’t work.
Okay, let’s say that the standard “what is the window size” JavaScript method is intercepted and altered, how do you handle setting an element to a specific percentage width and then determining how wide it is in pixels? Or any of the other ways I can think to accomplish this same thing?
If you intercept all of those, you effectively break any site with relative movement of elements with JavaScript.
And that’s just one example.
…and then your websites break, because you actually need to render them correctly.
…or it needs to be your actual window size, too.
If the browser size is a standard size which is often tested to work with, then i don’t see it as such a big of a deal. Most sites are also resolution independent. We are no longer in 2010. Do you know any site that could break because you don’t use a specific resolution?
I don’t think you understand.
If you spoof your resolution and window size to the degree that it’s undetectable you effectively have to render it in that resolution.
Guess how websites make it so that they work on any resolution? They use relative units and whatnot that make it work that way, and all that is detectable one way or another. So you’d have to spoof it all in order to resist fingerprinting - and that is either going to break the rendering, or it’s going to effectively render that website at that resolution, making it a bad experience for regular users either way.
I do wish this was an option for more “normal” browsers, and that they resisted fingerprinting better in some other ways, but you have to make serious compromises to make it work fully.