Yes.
But we will probably watch them die on tv.
But it’s possible.
Remember that guy before Trump? Dunno about progressive, but he was young.
Certainly not progressive.
center right is as far as america goes, and its the most conservative western country. Besides the DNC prevents any viable progressive from running ever.
they only allow AOC, AND BERNIE in congress solely to take attention off from themselves. like how schumer had a slew of dems to take the fall for ending the shutdown, in order to shield the other dems from being primaried.
more or less both parties make back-door deals with each other not privy to the voters.
at the time of bernie and obama, yea it was possible, as soon as trump got elected, it went out the window. as the DNC had not come up with a candidate as good as bernie or OBAMA since, just milquetoast AIPAC supporting candidates.
We might be able to get a progressive to run as an independent in the general. If they try to go through the democratic party they will be backstabbed, while also inheriting all the DNC’s baggage and idiocy.
It’s about to be do-or-die I feel…
We had FDR once 😭
Nothing is impossible. Might be improbable, but definitely possible!
not anytime soon though because the Democrats won’t let any of them win
Yes but it will be after a catastrophe that devastates the economy like another great depression, civil war or world war.
If america can ever return to a normal parliamentary democracy instead of only giving it’s people the choice between two parties, maybe
Yes!
Younger people can still be terrible politicians
Good point. Look at JD Vance!
There’s a lot of doomerism happening in these comments, so I’m just gonna add in that yes, I do think there’s a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless
Right now shit sucks real bad. People know this. That’s why Trump won the first time. He ran as an anti-establishment everything candidate and people—not just his bigoted cultists—ate it up. But things didn’t get better. So then people voted for Biden bc he was the opposition to Trump who had become the establishment as the sitting president. And Biden won and shit still sucked. So then they went back to Trump bc there was no viable republican or democrat candidate outside of Trump and Biden/Harris. (Yes Bernie should have been the answer but America is currently a two party system and he was robbed of a primary election.)
So now that everything sucks and is getting worse and we’ve tried republicans and democrats and none of it is working and most candidates refuse to talk about real issues like affordability, people are starting to say “fine. I’ll find a different candidate then.”
And that’s how we got Zohran Mamdani, an openly democratic socialist as mayor of New York City. All across the country progressive candidates are using this momentum to primary out establishment dems. Not all are winning, but many of the races are close, like Kat Abughazaleh’s race. Even that helps because it shows dems that if they want to keep their seat as the controlled opposition so they can keep getting their bribes, then they have to change their messaging and priorities. People aren’t satisfied with a campaign to return to pre-Trump business as usual. People want a candidate that works for them
So check who’s on the ballot of your dem primaries (which are happening rn and through the summer depending on where you live) and see if there are any progressive candidates and do what you can to support them. Donate, volunteer, spread the word, and most importantly, show up and vote in the primary and the elections in November. Even local candidates like city council members and judges can have a lot of power if they have enough numbers and the support of the people
I know a lot of people on lemmy say that America is beyond repair and that the only answer at this point is a violent revolution but not only is this not realistic, it’s not helpful. A violent revolution would be devastating and the amount of lives lost would be horrifying. Theres also the fact that most violent revolutions result in a military authority taking power rather than a true democratic rebuilding. It’s much easier to fantasize about a violent revolution than it is to do the slow, tedious work of creating real change from the ground up
There’s no need to jump to the worst case scenario when we have a prime opportunity to make real change and build grassroots movements. Like I said, this is our chance to capitalize on people’s anger and dissatisfaction with the system to build class consciousness and grassroots movements. Do what you can, even if it doesn’t seem like a lot, and stay hopeful. We’ll get through this together by supporting each other
As someone looking in from the outside, I can’t back this message enough.
I don’t know if the country will ever go progressive but if it’s going to, this is the only way it will. One of the two major parties has to be infiltrated and overhauled so to speak, by primary.
Third party voting is not really any good yet, the FPTP system has to be fixed, well, removed, to maximise the minor party usefulness. It would be, though, if enough progressives get in to make those changes (which I imagine would be via the Amendment system? I don’t know) for what you know as ranked choice, which really does build worthwhile third party candidacy.
But they have to vote and they have to make use of the primary system. That’s your ticket out. The Republicans have already shown the way because that’s how they got to where they are…using those electoral systems and voting as a unit. Voting the letter on the actual day, too.
by primary.
The dnc won a court case against Bernie by arguing that they have no obligation to run a fair primary, or even to adhere to the decision of the primary vote, or play by their stated rules. Its an internal process with no legal guarantees whatsoever.
That time they did. That’s once. The American voter has been doing this shit every time.
Let’s remember too that Sanders is an independent, not a Democrat, so they aren’t going to fund him willingly.
republicans also had propaganda and rigging the election places , and voter suppression on thier side, DNC are pretty bad at propaganda, and also afraid to call out election rigging. the DNC benefits from it, at leas the dinos do
At the end of the day, their people still act and vote as a unit regardless of what noise is outside.
That’s the difference. Yes, there’s a lot of noise but sooner or later progressive voters or anyone who wants something decent is going to have to stand. That includes dealing with the voter suppression, one way or the other.
The fptp system was broken not long after it was created. It wasn’t always broken like it is now.
That happened under the guise of making it “safer”
Used to be, the president didn’t have a running mate, the runner up was the VP.
By removing that, we’ve made our system into the 2 party monstrosity it is today.
which is technically a uniparty, since they do vote the same on some things most of the time. inaction against increasing the tax for corps and billionaires, after the gop had it cut, plus other things.
That barely existed as a system because it didn’t work well in practice. It was amended in 1804, there were only 3 presidents elected that way, Jefferson was in office when it was ratified.
It was changed, because they were worried that it would increase assassinations as the VPs people wanted the presidency. But they didn’t consider the follow-on issues. Basically another knee jerk reaction
There’s not really follow on issues from the president and vice president being elected together instead of in opposition. The opposition is supposed to be Congress not a person with only symbolic power.
That’s what they thought. But, keep in mind, if there’s a tie in the House or Senate, guess who casts the deciding vote? The VP.
Not the president. The veep.
The whole thing is set up to make passing new laws difficult. Intentionally.
We’ve made it easier and easier over the years. And in the process, we’ve broken our nation. We turned a nation built on bottom up power, where the majority of power is held by the individual into a top down power where our government has the majority of the power.
That’s still not a big deal. The only difference is bills that pass the house and tie in the Senate could become laws instead of vetos. It’s a very low possibility.
The expansion of presidential powers and the willingness of Congress to abdicate their responsibility is a far bigger problem.
Interesting, thank you.
Imagine what difference that would have made over the years.
The guys who set it up originally were actually pretty smart. And we spent the next 250 years screwing it up…
Ranked choice can be done state by state. Alaska, maine, and New York City elections are ranked choice.
The electoral college can be nullified by state by state adoption of the popular vote compact.
That’s only a few states short but all the blue states have signed on, so it needs support from red states which is a much heavier lift.
The original setup was basically a ranked choice system already. The top two vote getters were the president and vice president.
That was changed, ostensibly to “stop assassination” but like all good ideas, it had bad follow on effects.
Progressive Americans have to defeat the mini-boss (DNC) before they can on the main-boss (GOP).
There’s a chance the GOP can crack open for a Progressive popout but the MTGs and such already got there years ago so I wager thats about at 0% odds now.
DNC and GOP often collude together, so basically 2 main bossess. given how they reacted with Zohrans election. and they make alot of backdoor deals behind the doors, where they both benefit, like with the tax cuts, MIC support, israeli funding. thats what they dont want voters of both sides to investigate, hence the culture war bs.
Better old than young, can’t stay in power too long. Putin was young, he is still the president. Orban was young and was in power for 16 years. Gadafi was 27 I think.
