“Here’s why”
As if we don’t know. Republicans and conservatives and do-nothing neolibs have turned America into even more of a racist shithole than it already was, somehow.
Interesting how this article uses the word immigration a bunch of times but never to describe an American moving to Europe.
Technically correct, but not really:
The desire among Americans to move abroad is reaching record numbers: One in five say that, ideally, they would like to emigrate if given an opportunity, according to a 2025 Gallup poll
If they’d used “expat” or some shit, you’d have a point.
Ok sorry, they did it once with a slightly different word. Using expat would have been kinda funny
Oh no
@petrescatraian off-topic, but friendica is weird about links. When trying to click on this post it loops back to itself all the time. So if you posted an article/link I can’t see it. (I’m on mastodon)
@calm_bomb yeah, I added a title to it, so Mastodon treated my post as being an article in itself. Here’s the actual link: edition.cnn.com/travel/central…
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Just as a word of advice, don’t use slurs from another cultures. You know the slurs you shouldn’t say in your culture, and I promise you sound just as ignorant and bigoted using the slurs you don’t understand. The “I’m not racist but” introduction did not help here.
Just as a word of advice, don’t use slurs from another cultures.
I promise you sound just as ignorant and bigoted using the slurs you don’t understand.
Frankly? If there’s something sounding bigoted here, it’s your “since you’re not American I assume you’re an ignorant*, so let me enlighten you poor little thing” discourse.
I might not be a native English speaker but I’m fully aware of the offensiveness of the word in question; and it’s being used for this very reason, to highlight shit immigrants in USA go through, but emigrants from USA expect to avoid. (Ooopsie, I’m supposed to mince words and call them “expats”, right?)
And by the bloody reactions, this shite worked pretty well, innit.
*just in case: nominalisation intended.
The “I’m not racist but” introduction [SIC] did not help here.
That is not even remotely close to what I wrote in the content warning; don’t distort it.
I get what you’re doing, I just don’t get why you chose to astrik the burger part instead of the other part.
I spelled out the actual slurs to not lessen their impact. I know plenty people from USA visit the Fediverse and this comm; I wanted them to see the sort of treatment immigrants in their country get (that goes from denial of deciding one’s own identity to dehumanisation), while reading the news shared by the OP, about when they are the immigrants in other countries. Because I’ve noticed a lot of them expect others to roll red carpets for them, when they never did the same towards the others.
In the meantime I asterisked “burger” into “b*rger” to show a bit of culture stereotypically associated with Americans being treated itself as a slur. (Cue to “spic”. Like, are we Latin Americans supposed to feel bad for… spicing our food?)
One more thing, since I’m talking about this. I focused on Latin Americans because I do happen to know people from here who live in USA; but the same applies to other groups there. East Asians, Meds (from both sides of the sea, but specially the southern one), Middle Easterners… and it goes without saying their society does the same shit towards the descendants of people they forced to live there as slaves, stigmatising even their bloody African American dialects.
You’re way too comfortable using the slurs you used, and this whole exercise waw just unnecessary mocking of people who genuinely just want better lives, simply for being associated with a shitty culture that they’re trying to escape from. You’re openly enjoying a power fantasy of denigrating people trying to escape from fascism and smugly asserting yourself as superior, and your whole thought exercise bullshit is just a thin veil for your superiority complex. None of this helped me think about our circumstances in a fresh or enlightening way, and instead I’m just agitated that this is how you choose to communicate, and you expect to be heard and understood?
You’re way too comfortable using the slurs you used
Don’t assume. I don’t typically use one of the words in question, except metalinguistically and when relevant to do so. I did it here because I know it makes people from a certain privileged group (Americans) uncomfortable. Note also how I am not using it to target the group it’s usually used against (Black people; they aren’t part of the problem).
And regarding “spic”, since it targets to my own group (Latin Americans), I give myself the freedom to use it.
and this whole exercise waw just unnecessary mocking of people who genuinely just want better lives
I’m not mocking anyone for wanting a better life. I’m showing what other people, who are (or were, given the current state of the things) also seeking a better life, were subjected to. “Hope you don’t need to taste your own society’s poison, and be genuinely grateful if you don’t”.
If anything I’m angry at the bloody double standard shown by the media (including this text) regarding American immigrants and immigrants in USA. And, as I said, the expectations of some Americans. “I’m American, I deserve to be treated better than those fucking spics!” (inb4 refer to what I said regarding “spic”)
You’re openly enjoying a power fantasy of denigrating people
Stop assuming. You’re making shit up about what’s inside someone else’s head, dammit. If you want to criticise what I wrote it’s fair game, but I’m not wasting my time with the next bullshit about my “comfort” or “enjoyment” or whatever.
I already stated why I did this.
trying to escape from fascism
When some people here tried to escape from fascism, guess how they were treated there?
And by “fascism” here, I don’t mean just 16 months. I mean decades, due to coups staged by USA. And people going to USA because being treated the way I represented there would be still better than “giving birth to electricity” as a political dissident.
But we don’t talk about this here, right? Noooo, only Americans (or should I say WASPs?) trying a better life.
smugly asserting yourself as superior
Okay. Third assumption = bullshit in a row. I’m not engaging further with you, go assume what the Pope is thinking.
Moving past the obvious slurs in your comment, those migrants might actually get more of a red carpet treatment - sorry to spoil your vengeful dreams. In part because they are who they are, but also because of the spoken language making it easier to get higher paid jobs, probably at multinational corporations too (English is pretty commonly spoken as a foreign language, so it’s not so well paid and sought as other foreign languages, but if that’s your native language you’re definitely getting an edge over the locals).
Patriots (also called sovreignists here in Romania) will do what they do the best: label them as sexo-marxists invading our country and too snowflake to stay with Trump. But outside those pricks, people here are very open towards migrants.
We have an ongoing collective memory of us taking the road to the West after the fall of communism, along with all the hardships we faced, and the fair treatment of migrants is, from my experience, pretty well promoted publicly (at least so far).
If the far right gets in power in two years from now, which is highly likely given the current political situation, things might take a turn to the worse. But until then, the orchestra is singing on the Titanic.
And as a personal opinion, I think it’s wrong to put all the American migrants in the same pot. I think the people leaving the US behind are exactly those who saw the things coming, who understood what Project 2025 was about and did all they could to prevent this from happening. Throwing them in concentration camps similar to those in El Salvador, degrading them or being xenophobic to them in any way will teach them no lesson and will definitely teach the usual MAGA supporter no lesson, or at least not the lesson you’re looking for. I’m rather pro treating these people well, especially since (despite all the shortcomings), during these whole decades when America was truly free, it represented a safe haven for people looking to escape prosecution in their homeland, especially due to their etnicity or religion. So taking these people as they themselves flee from political prosecution is more of an acknowledgement of the role the free America had on making the world a better place, sometimes even helping make entire countries free and independent from other countries.
Moving past the obvious slurs in your comment
I already explained why they were used, here and here.
those migrants might actually get more of a red carpet treatment - sorry to spoil your vengeful dreams.
Emphasis mine. Contrariwise to your assumption, no, I don’t dream about people getting treated like subhumans. I encourage you to actually read the comment you’re replying to, and you’ll see
…seriously, I hope not. I’m not from the belief two wrongs make a right. Immigration is part of human social behaviour since some of us left Africa; and I’m not surprised they’re leaving USA, given the current awful state of that place acc. to news.
Side note: if I wanted to write “vengeful dreams”, I’d have better targets. And I wouldn’t write something as mild (yes) as that comment.
In part because they are who they are
i.e. a society built from oppression, living from oppression, and selling it as merit.
but also because of the spoken language making it easier to get higher paid jobs […]
Okay, you clearly did not get the comment you’re answering to, so I’ll summarise:
Your typical American expects to be treated above others, as if this was a divine right granted to the United Karenland of America. And news are simply parroting this mindset, doing everything possible to not step on little Karenlanders’ toes. I’m trying to remind them that, if they get well treated, it’s because there are plenty people out there who behave like decent beings instead of behaving like your typical American.
Now, if your depiction of Romania is accurate or not in this regard, that’s irrelevant for the sake of my original comment. But I’ll ask you the following: do the Roma folks agree with you? Technically they aren’t immigrants, but a similar situation applies. (Just like African Americans in USA.)
Side note #2: language prestige piggybacks on the power (soft and hard) associated with its speakers. And I think it’s an open secret USA is going downhill. I wouldn’t be surprised if “I’m a native English speaker!” became a liability later on.
And as a personal opinion, I think it’s wrong to put all the American migrants in the same pot.
That is not what I’m doing.
