So what you’re saying is if Bob tells me (your name) has a flying tiger, and I later find out you don’t have a flying tiger… you no longer exists?
They did not say someone named Jesus did not exist.
There’s a difference between believing “Joe who had a tiger and a bear and an elephant”, and assuming that there might have been 3 different Joe’s, one with a tiger, one with a bear and one with an elephant, each of them in a different period. Saying “Joe with 3 animals did not exist” does not imply that those Joe’s did not exist.
I’m not a historian but what I’ve heard (must have been on Alex O’Connor’s podcast) is that even some of the possible historical Jesuses (or “Jesusi” :D) had things going on that were not compatible with what the biblical Jesus was all about. (Such as being cult leader proclaiming that world will end in few years.)
Fictionalize any real person to the point absurdity, and you have a fictional non-existent person from a fairy tale. Saying a dude has a flying tiger is just lies. There is a difference. If you can’t see that, I’m cool with that. We’re all allowed to believe things.
Oh you’re the same guy. I don’t remember name calling bit if I did I’m sorry. I had probably started drinking and didn’t mean anything by it. Or something of the sorts. Might’ve caught me at a a bad time .
You’re allowed to be atheist and I’m allowed to be religious. Neither one of us are going to force anything down anyone throats? Then we’re both cool.
As for is Jesus real argument. We both seem to have different ideas of what exactly makes something “real”
In not going to try to convince you Noah’s ark is proven lol. From my view point Jesus past into the threshold of “close enough” you disagree, there’s evidence but you don’t believe it meets that threshold.
Agree to disagree. It’s a battle of semantics at this point.
people exist, plumbers exist, people named mario exist, is there a plumber that can grow twice his size, shot fireballs using a flower, can jump four times his height unassisted, or fights a giant sentient reptile that breaths fire? no.
you can argue jesus was a man, but he is not the jesus of the bible.
They did not say someone named Jesus did not exist.
There’s a difference between believing “Joe who had a tiger and a bear and an elephant”, and assuming that there might have been 3 different Joe’s, one with a tiger, one with a bear and one with an elephant, each of them in a different period. Saying “Joe with 3 animals did not exist” does not imply that those Joe’s did not exist.
I’m not a historian but what I’ve heard (must have been on Alex O’Connor’s podcast) is that even some of the possible historical Jesuses (or “Jesusi” :D) had things going on that were not compatible with what the biblical Jesus was all about. (Such as being cult leader proclaiming that world will end in few years.)
He said Jesus is a fictional figure. He probably existed and yes there were more than one person with similar but that doesn’t change my argument.
If you say “this is Bob and he has a tiger” and I find out he does not have a tiger… he still exists as a person.
But you say “the stories about Bob don’t line up with any specific Bob”
Okay, that doesn’t stop Bob from being just because someone got a story wrong.
Complete asinine argument.
Fictionalize any real person to the point absurdity, and you have a fictional non-existent person from a fairy tale. Saying a dude has a flying tiger is just lies. There is a difference. If you can’t see that, I’m cool with that. We’re all allowed to believe things.
Oh you’re the same guy. I don’t remember name calling bit if I did I’m sorry. I had probably started drinking and didn’t mean anything by it. Or something of the sorts. Might’ve caught me at a a bad time .
You’re allowed to be atheist and I’m allowed to be religious. Neither one of us are going to force anything down anyone throats? Then we’re both cool.
As for is Jesus real argument. We both seem to have different ideas of what exactly makes something “real”
In not going to try to convince you Noah’s ark is proven lol. From my view point Jesus past into the threshold of “close enough” you disagree, there’s evidence but you don’t believe it meets that threshold.
Agree to disagree. It’s a battle of semantics at this point.
I finished this argument 6 days ago. Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves.
now you are just talking about some different guy named bob.
mario is based on a person, but mario is a fictional character
Mario is based on a plumber. Do plumbers exist?
people exist, plumbers exist, people named mario exist, is there a plumber that can grow twice his size, shot fireballs using a flower, can jump four times his height unassisted, or fights a giant sentient reptile that breaths fire? no.
you can argue jesus was a man, but he is not the jesus of the bible.
Right so Jesus existed . Glad we agree.
The way I see it is I said “Jesus at the very least existed and was vocal enough to be mentioned “
You’re argument is stomping your feet and saying “but that wasn’t YOUR Jesus so you are wrong”
It’s sounds really pathetic hearing you two try to disprove my idea of Jesus doesn’t exist when you haven’t even ask who I think Jesus was lol.
You don’t even know what my argument is you just know I’m wrong lol. Pathetic.