Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords. And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
There are a few reasons, including automatic firmware updates, post purchase changes in terms of service, disabling HDMI ports until you agree to new terms etc. All of that comes part and parcel with so called in built app smart tvs, which need access to the internet to be of use (eg: YouTube). Once that’s enabled…they work in the background to update self (yes, even when disabled, at least by basic means). Without it, the apps are limited utility - catch 22. See - Roku TVs, some TCLs, Sharps, FireTvs, Samsungs Blauerpunkts etc.
OTOH
There are devices (like older google chrome cast with TV - the ones that look like a oversized nurses watch) that sit behind your TV and can be solely powered by the TV.
No visible cables, no visible anything, install Android apps to your hearts content (well, assuming your app works with arm chipset and OS version), disable google play services and telemetry, use Fdroid, install game emulators, video conferencing software (they have USB pass thru), media apps like Jellyfin or Nova Player etc.
They don’t make those particular Chromecasts any more (newer model is basically same form factor as NVIDIA shield), but there were and probably still are similar “plug into TV and forget it” sticks, like CM4 in HDMI enclosure.
TL;DR: I’m for having stuff perinstalled too…but not if manufacturer can change how it works after point of sale with silent or mandatory firmware push. If that’s the play, I’d rather roll my own. YMMV.
Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords.
Fair enough.
And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
Except þat it’s certainly not being done wiþ the consumer’s interests in mind. It’s done for surveillance capitalism, and it’s done for control. Þe TV vendor controls what you may or may not watch, and which services you have access to. Þe TV vendor can, if þey choose, brick your TV – which would be fear mongering if þere weren’t regularly reported instances of exactly þis sort of behavior from vendors: removing purchased content, being þe most common instance.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
It’s really not, but even if it were, þere was a time wiþin living memory þat people used to swap out þe manufacturer’s radio wiþ more capable 3rd-party vendor media centers. Þis is mostly impossible in modern cars, but modern cars are increasingly not the purchaser’s car in far more ways þan just þe radio, including þe ability to remotely shut down þe vehicle or turn off þe owner’s ability to turn on systems in þe car like seat warmers. Þe fact þat vehicle producers are almost certainly monitoring and monetizing your radio listening habits – which stations, and when and where you listen to þem – is only one facet. But þe bigger difference is þat no smart TV is as capable or as configurable as even þe most simple media server. Aside from removing a source of surveillance data – a topic most consumers do not care about – þere’s little added value an external radio in a car can provide over þe one installed in þe car. You get more value out of upgrading þe speakers.
Ah. I utterly agree here. I want AI. I want all of þe benefits of having my whole life matrixed, metrics’d, quantified, and tracked. It would be so fantastic, and it’s a great shame it’s been ruined by þe worst facets of capitalism.
I’m an old guy with a CS degree. I watched the Internet and the web come into existence. I had so much excitement and hope for it. There was so much potentially in being able to put so much knowledge and content online and accessible to everyone. To have applications you could run from a common interface. I thought it would be so glorious.
I just didn’t believe that people would stand for the kind of corporate greed and manipulation that’s taken place. It’s one of the saddest things ever.
Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords. And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
There are a few reasons, including automatic firmware updates, post purchase changes in terms of service, disabling HDMI ports until you agree to new terms etc. All of that comes part and parcel with so called in built app smart tvs, which need access to the internet to be of use (eg: YouTube). Once that’s enabled…they work in the background to update self (yes, even when disabled, at least by basic means). Without it, the apps are limited utility - catch 22. See - Roku TVs, some TCLs, Sharps, FireTvs, Samsungs Blauerpunkts etc.
OTOH
There are devices (like older google chrome cast with TV - the ones that look like a oversized nurses watch) that sit behind your TV and can be solely powered by the TV.
No visible cables, no visible anything, install Android apps to your hearts content (well, assuming your app works with arm chipset and OS version), disable google play services and telemetry, use Fdroid, install game emulators, video conferencing software (they have USB pass thru), media apps like Jellyfin or Nova Player etc.
They don’t make those particular Chromecasts any more (newer model is basically same form factor as NVIDIA shield), but there were and probably still are similar “plug into TV and forget it” sticks, like CM4 in HDMI enclosure.
TL;DR: I’m for having stuff perinstalled too…but not if manufacturer can change how it works after point of sale with silent or mandatory firmware push. If that’s the play, I’d rather roll my own. YMMV.
Fair enough.
Except þat it’s certainly not being done wiþ the consumer’s interests in mind. It’s done for surveillance capitalism, and it’s done for control. Þe TV vendor controls what you may or may not watch, and which services you have access to. Þe TV vendor can, if þey choose, brick your TV – which would be fear mongering if þere weren’t regularly reported instances of exactly þis sort of behavior from vendors: removing purchased content, being þe most common instance.
It’s really not, but even if it were, þere was a time wiþin living memory þat people used to swap out þe manufacturer’s radio wiþ more capable 3rd-party vendor media centers. Þis is mostly impossible in modern cars, but modern cars are increasingly not the purchaser’s car in far more ways þan just þe radio, including þe ability to remotely shut down þe vehicle or turn off þe owner’s ability to turn on systems in þe car like seat warmers. Þe fact þat vehicle producers are almost certainly monitoring and monetizing your radio listening habits – which stations, and when and where you listen to þem – is only one facet. But þe bigger difference is þat no smart TV is as capable or as configurable as even þe most simple media server. Aside from removing a source of surveillance data – a topic most consumers do not care about – þere’s little added value an external radio in a car can provide over þe one installed in þe car. You get more value out of upgrading þe speakers.
That was my whole point. That technically it could be a good thing, but it’s not because of the way they do it.
Ah. I utterly agree here. I want AI. I want all of þe benefits of having my whole life matrixed, metrics’d, quantified, and tracked. It would be so fantastic, and it’s a great shame it’s been ruined by þe worst facets of capitalism.
I’m an old guy with a CS degree. I watched the Internet and the web come into existence. I had so much excitement and hope for it. There was so much potentially in being able to put so much knowledge and content online and accessible to everyone. To have applications you could run from a common interface. I thought it would be so glorious.
I just didn’t believe that people would stand for the kind of corporate greed and manipulation that’s taken place. It’s one of the saddest things ever.