Lots of small companies won’t survive the components price hike and shortage

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    No one is hoarding RAM (or DRAM aka what we call as RAM)

    Instead it has mostly been a supply side crunch, and none of the individual steps are “illegal”

    1. AI servers use a special memory called HBM
    2. HBM is good at what it does but it has a very ‘high wafer area per server’ (it is stacked, and each level is lower density than normal DRAM)
    3. OpenAI (and apparently others) skipped middlemen of supply chain and directly negotiated with the fab to get priority for their HBM fabrication.
    4. This crunched supply on the open market for HBM
    5. Other people followed up
    6. Fab companies pivoted other manufacturing lines to HBM because of so many orders (and because it is really profitable to manufacture)
    7. That caused crunch on DRAM
    8. Other memory manufacturers pivoted to more expensive segment of their expertise (eg Flash memory fab)
    9. This caused crunch on other common memory segments
    10. Expensive memory means you try to move to higher segment for your own products (eg: laptop, mobile) else you don’t have any slack in your BOM. This is causing the consumer good crunch
    11. Once stuff becomes expensive, people hedge and buyout inventories. This is causing the Covid era style supply chain shock. The impact radius is expected to increase in coming months even if RAM situation resolves.
    12. “Special mission” against Iran is blocking critical supply chain for chips (speciality chemicals, helium, etc.)
  • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    The purpose of US financial policy is to increase asset market inflation to keep foreign capital locked in petrodollar system & ensure all high-end investment requires Wall St firms & coordination of their many monopolies not just on significant credit. The RAM price hike is just another cycle of fake sales for these companies looped around Nvidia ASML TSMC it doesn’t even really accompany a true shortage

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    It is not ‘LLM companies’. It is OpenAI. And not from buying memory either. Last year they made two deals with two major memory manufacturers, which together meant they were purchasing a significant percentage of the world’s memory production. And they negotiated these two deals in secret, each company not knowing that the other was in discussions, and announced the two deals on the same day. They weren’t even buying memory chips you can put in a server, but finished wafers with memory chips printed on them. These wafers then have to be cut up into chips, those chips have to be put in packages, themselves tested, and then soldered down to memory modules. As far as I know, OpenAI has no ability to do this. So it seems likely they purchased a significant portion of the world’s memory production just to drive up prices and keep their competitors from having it.

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    They also used copyrighted material without the consent of the authors to train their models.

    They polluted the air and stole clean water from communities who lived close to their data centers.

    Hoarding RAM is only the tip of the iceberg.

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      And apparently no consequences for any of it. Even when the bubble bursts it will be the common folk that will bear the bulk of the pain.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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    It’s just how free market works against free market, leading to capital concentration, basic and unavoidable capitalist contradiction.

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        Lack of regulations resulting in a rampant speculation like the above is by definition one of the core tenets of free market. That free market just don’t work for people like me or you.

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          People think “free” means “I can do whatever I want,” but really it usually means “people with more power than me can do whatever they want to me.”

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            It’s both, it’s a nice illustration of how free is a free market. You could for example speculate on RAM trade or anything else, but the dude with billions of dollars can literally control entire trade.

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            In this case it’s precisely lack of regulation. There’s no law forbidding doing this. Now imagine how shit it was with essentials (Irish famine for example).

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    Imagine this: You’re a dirty rotten billionaire. Look what you can do with your miniscule billions if you had just 10 of them.

    With $10 billion, if you invested it to generate a conservative 5% annual return, you could spend roughly $1.37 million per day ($500 million a year) without ever touching the principal. If you didn’t invest it, you could spend over $100,000 daily for roughly 274 years.

    These assholes just love hoarding the wealth and anything else they can so long as you peasants don’t get any of it. Instead, think of wealth this way in that it is like fertilizer, if you spread it around evenly everything grows nicely and beautiful. If you hoard that shit, it stinks something awful.

    Fuck tech bros, fuck billionaires, fuck the elite; they’re destroying this world and the 99% of us’ way of life because of their greed.

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      I agree with your sentiment, but I’m compelled to point out that their “billions” is in the valuation of the preferred shares of the corporations they control. If they were to sell to get their billions in cash, the value of their portfolio that analysts purport they have would plummet to pennies on the dollar and very quickly.

      Billionaires take out loans using their appraised assets as collateral when they need a couple tens of hundreds of millions in cash.

      These billionaires’ egos literally writes checks their bodies can’t cash without tacit approval from the Fed and SEC.

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      They think of it like a game. Its just like some dickhead on reddit posting endless bullshit on reddit to amass internet points, except that billionaire points affect the well-being of the real world, which neither the reddit dickhead nor the billionaire really live in or care about.

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    Greed, I guess? The answer to most issues in capitalism. They want to make as much money as possible before the bubble bursts.

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    ITT: answers explaining why they’re doing it rather than the actual question of how it’s legal.

    I guess the short answer is, when you’re rich and powerful, who’s going to stop you? We don’t have a functioning government and haven’t since the 70s at the latest; it’s been captured and only serves wealth and Wall StreetStreet now.