Discord has announced that it's rolling out age verification checks globally from March – and the decision has sparked fury from many privacy-conscious users.
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
Gotcha. So if it is the first time, or maybe the second time, fuck you, pay for the damage someone else did to your car and their own car. Maybe on the 4th or 5th time, we can start getting the teen’s parents to pay for it?
Yep. Un-parented teen burns down your house, shit happens.
Another kid brings their dad’s gun to school and shoot your kid, shit happens.
Kid has to steal food in order to survive. Shit happens.
Clearly, the parents are completely beyond reproach.
Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way? Parents have been raising their kids for literally as long as there have been people on this earth. It’s practically globally agreed upon that the parents are responsible for raising and controlling their child, until the child has developed enough to make their own decisons, understand the risks, and accept the consequences for their actions.
And… To go further, your “world view” about “bad shit happens” can be extended to cover “My child saw porn, shit happens”, which would break down your argument that it is necessary for discord to collect and store PII from millions of people.
Wow, that really escalated quickly from car damage.
These are all crimes you can charge kids with just like adults. You cannot and should not charge their parents, who had abso-fuckin-lutely nothing to do with it. This is insane. Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way?
And, to go further, we definitely shouldn’t have any laws about drinking, smoking, driving, getting tattoos, etc. We just leave it up to the parents to make those decisions too, right? We have to trust them all to make the right decisions and don’t bother making any rules or laws, right? 🤡
And yes, if your kid commits crimes, then you can be fined and sued for it. You are responsible for the conduct of your child while your child is incapable of being responsible for themselves.
Let’s not forget, by your framework of parental responsibility, if your unsupervised child sees porn on discord because they wandered into a community of people talking about porn… Tough shit, that’s life.
Drinking and driving can and do harm others. I understand age gating those activities to prevent unresponsible children from hurting other people and themselves. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”. The age limits on smoking and also drinking, are there to prevent tobacco and alcohol vendors from hooking children on addictive substances. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”. Age requirements to get tattoos are there to prevent children from getting life-long body altering ink from a vendor who had a financial interest in doing the work. Some states do allow teens to get tattoos, with parental consent BTW. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”.
This is exactly what I meant when I said you should think about the wider implications of your argument before you make it and nail your identity to it.
Tell you what. Let’s do one more thing here to really test your conviction to this argument that discord should be photo-ID-ing it’s users. The Fediverse is an equally open (if not more so) forum where people can communicate in ways that convey NSFW content. I will stick to my guns, and accept the consequences of any child I’m responsible for seeing titties or a live leak murder if I let them on the internet unsupervised. You, on the other hand, need to show us all a photo ID (make it your profile pic, or put it in your bio, to prove you’re not a child) before you can post further on any platform? Deal? Or are you going to back out of what you are advocating to force on everyone?
Let’s do one more thing here to really test your conviction to this argument that discord should be photo-ID-ing it’s users
Your entire comment is predicated on a position that I’ve already told you I do not hold, so good job on making a long and intentional strawman.
It’s called Neglect
Neglect is what I alluded to earlier by saying “demonstrating a pattern of bad parenting”.
And to be clear, by “cannot” I was not saying it’s impossible, I was saying it’s wrong.
Drinking and driving can and do harm others.
Social media and porn also can and do harm others.
The age limits on smoking and also drinking, are there to prevent tobacco and alcohol vendors from hooking children on addictive substances.
Yes, I’m aware of what the purpose of that law is. It sounds like, by your position, we shouldn’t have those laws, because that’s a parents’ responsibility. Is that correct? And if not, please elaborate on how that’s different.
I’m sorry. I can’t speak with you further. Discussion could include references to material that is not appropriate for children. Please prove you are over 18 years old if you would like to continue this conversation.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
My answer to your question is on your comment.
Gotcha. So if it is the first time, or maybe the second time, fuck you, pay for the damage someone else did to your car and their own car. Maybe on the 4th or 5th time, we can start getting the teen’s parents to pay for it?
Welcome to life bro. Shit happens.
Yep. Un-parented teen burns down your house, shit happens.
Another kid brings their dad’s gun to school and shoot your kid, shit happens.
Kid has to steal food in order to survive. Shit happens.
Clearly, the parents are completely beyond reproach.
Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way? Parents have been raising their kids for literally as long as there have been people on this earth. It’s practically globally agreed upon that the parents are responsible for raising and controlling their child, until the child has developed enough to make their own decisons, understand the risks, and accept the consequences for their actions.
And… To go further, your “world view” about “bad shit happens” can be extended to cover “My child saw porn, shit happens”, which would break down your argument that it is necessary for discord to collect and store PII from millions of people.
Wow, that really escalated quickly from car damage. These are all crimes you can charge kids with just like adults. You cannot and should not charge their parents, who had abso-fuckin-lutely nothing to do with it. This is insane. Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way?
And, to go further, we definitely shouldn’t have any laws about drinking, smoking, driving, getting tattoos, etc. We just leave it up to the parents to make those decisions too, right? We have to trust them all to make the right decisions and don’t bother making any rules or laws, right? 🤡
https://apnews.com/article/james-crumbley-jennifer-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-e5888f615c76c3b26153c34dc36d5436
These two had “literally nothing” to do with it, and they were charged for it. It’s called Neglect.
https://abcnews.com/US/parents-charged-manslaughter-boy-struck-car-gastonia-north-carolina/story?id=122500748
And yes, if your kid commits crimes, then you can be fined and sued for it. You are responsible for the conduct of your child while your child is incapable of being responsible for themselves.
Let’s not forget, by your framework of parental responsibility, if your unsupervised child sees porn on discord because they wandered into a community of people talking about porn… Tough shit, that’s life.
Drinking and driving can and do harm others. I understand age gating those activities to prevent unresponsible children from hurting other people and themselves. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”. The age limits on smoking and also drinking, are there to prevent tobacco and alcohol vendors from hooking children on addictive substances. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”. Age requirements to get tattoos are there to prevent children from getting life-long body altering ink from a vendor who had a financial interest in doing the work. Some states do allow teens to get tattoos, with parental consent BTW. Remember, by your framework of parental responsibility, “tough shit, that’s life”.
This is exactly what I meant when I said you should think about the wider implications of your argument before you make it and nail your identity to it.
Tell you what. Let’s do one more thing here to really test your conviction to this argument that discord should be photo-ID-ing it’s users. The Fediverse is an equally open (if not more so) forum where people can communicate in ways that convey NSFW content. I will stick to my guns, and accept the consequences of any child I’m responsible for seeing titties or a live leak murder if I let them on the internet unsupervised. You, on the other hand, need to show us all a photo ID (make it your profile pic, or put it in your bio, to prove you’re not a child) before you can post further on any platform? Deal? Or are you going to back out of what you are advocating to force on everyone?
Your entire comment is predicated on a position that I’ve already told you I do not hold, so good job on making a long and intentional strawman.
Neglect is what I alluded to earlier by saying “demonstrating a pattern of bad parenting”.
And to be clear, by “cannot” I was not saying it’s impossible, I was saying it’s wrong.
Social media and porn also can and do harm others.
Yes, I’m aware of what the purpose of that law is. It sounds like, by your position, we shouldn’t have those laws, because that’s a parents’ responsibility. Is that correct? And if not, please elaborate on how that’s different.
I’m sorry. I can’t speak with you further. Discussion could include references to material that is not appropriate for children. Please prove you are over 18 years old if you would like to continue this conversation.