I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that someone can be this stupid unintentionally.

“Tiny Man Square” LMAO…. The coward won’t even say it.

    • PhilipTheBucket@piefed.socialEnglish
      4·
      15 hours ago

      Great. So your criteria include a little bit more than just “sources that don’t advance Western imperialism.” Can you give some examples? Maybe, like, a couple of academic sources, and a couple of journalistic ones?

      (Like I said, I’ve had this conversation before, more than once. I’m well aware of why you are so reluctant to give a straight answer to this simple question. I’m curious whether you are aware of why you aren’t able to give a straight answer…)

      • Tillyrblue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 hours ago

        I’ve answered your questions and provided multiple sources I find reliable in this thread. If you pointed to any of those then yeah I would be with you but honestly since you decide to believe the CIA propaganda nothing you could point to would change my mind, and I’d rather avoid mental regression. I used to think like you, said “China bad” and decried about tankies but once I started educating myself on socialism and AES states my worldview changed and realized we didn’t know shit about shit. What you believe is not substantiated by facts or evidence, its a compilation of lies from people who want to colonize China. Drop the (western) chauvinism and read something at least neutral on the PRC, doesn’t have to be related to this subject. I’m curious though if you have an Al Jazerra or other source waiting in the chamber that disproves what I’m saying I’d like to read it for old times sake - I’ll be waiting for what the next step is!

        For bonus here’s some more sources with TONS of reliable information on the Tiananmen protests, including one from my favorite for all things China, the Qiao Collective:

        • Tiananmen Protests Reading List

        • The Myth of Tiananmen

        • How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning

        • PhilipTheBucket@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          11 hours ago

          I’ve answered your questions and provided multiple sources I find reliable in this thread.

          Not really. You provided your argument, but you steadfastly have refused to identify any source that you would accept as valid if I used it as part of my argument. This matches my previous experience with y’all: The lecture is only ever allowed to go in one direction.

          I would be with you but honestly since you decide to believe the CIA propaganda

          Lol

          Okay. You seem very sure of what I believe and where I got the ideas. So tell me: What do I think happened in Tienanmen Square?

          I mean, you don’t have to answer, but this style of argumentation (where you tell me all about what I believe, instead of listening to me telling you what I believe) is also very very common with y’all. It makes it more or less impossible to make progress with the conversation in any non-circular fashion.

          The Myth of Tiananmen

          You know what? Fine. Let me take a look at this.

          The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers.

          Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students. This was the larger story that most of us overlooked or underplayed.

          Er

          This is your argument for why the PRC isn’t as bad as portrayed in Western media? They responded to an anti-government demonstration by killing at least 300 people? And the most relevant thing is that it didn’t happen inside the square, but elsewhere?

          Let’s back up a bit. In addition to telling me what I believe happened in the square, can you tell me what you believe happened? Do you think this CJR article you sent me is generally accurate?

          • Tillyrblue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            2 hours ago

            refused to identify any source that you accept as valid if I used it apart of my argument

            Well that was a dumb question then, just post the source if you have one and we’ll go from there

            seem sure of what I believe

            Based on the sub, the post, my first comment, the content of your reply and your unironic use of tankie I assumed you have anti-PRC bias, but if I’m wrong I’m wrong

            I think the end of the CJR article is a little shaky but its still good for the overall report of the events. There was no massacre of thousands of people in the square like it was first reported by the West. It was a legitimate protest that was taken over by foreign influence (CIA) and enflamed to the point where people began murdering unarmed PLA soldiers. I don’t agree with what some soldiers then did and its terrible that innocent people died. It’s something the PRC has expressed regret about and is working to move past it with it’s people. You won’t find that kind of self-reflection and accountability in the West.