I’m tired, boss
Apologies for the overly clinical language. While yes the rape of males is a definite problem, the rape of females never stopped. I don’t have the statistics but i doubt it even slowed. What the fuck, homophobes and rape apologists at the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Daniel Centre Church?
Boys deserve not to get raped, but so do girls. Everyone deserves to not get raped. And yeah some boys are still raping people of varied genders, as are some girls.
Wtf is wrong with this pastor‽
There are a lot of good religious people but this just highlights yet again that there are a lot of sick weirdo’s that claw their way up the religious ladder.
I find that good people are good whether they are religious or not. But religion has a way of making good people do evil deeds.
I’d prefer just no religion myself.
I appreciate the exceedingly rare nuance. As a believer myself, this is…despicably unhinged, and needs to be called out. Predators have a way of gaining acceptance in the flock before they blatantly run amok.
- Rape, regardless of gender, is wrong.
- This charity implies rape against women is not wrong.
According to the Bible, Men raping Women isn’t wrong. At least not as long as the father of the victim gets compensated and the two get married.
https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=niv%3Adeu.22.28-deu.22.29
Yes, the fee was 50 shekels of silver for raping a virgin child, so less than $150 USD (assuming each silver shekel was 11.4 gm, the standard shekel back then).
This is why we need the Bible to teach us morality, you see.
But if I ignore the parts I find immoral, and focus on what I personally consider to be good moral lessons, it gives me objective morality!
The first part of Deuteronomy is historical. The second part is legislative. There is still much that can be learned from it.
This idea, whether it comes from the religious or not, that the entire 44+ books of the Bible are some kind of “Do everything this collection of documents says to the exact letter or else hell or something” instruction manual is one of the most ignorant and sadistic jokes of our time, and to reduce it to such is an act of intellectual dishonesty.
instruction manual is one of the most ignorant and sadistic jokes of our time
The Bible itself says it’s an instruction manual, repeatedly. So… the ignorant, sadistic joke is the Bible, and has nothing to do with “our time”.
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ~2 Timothy 3:16-17
Yeah, “God-breathed” means “He wanted it written down.” And “it is useful for teaching.” “Thoroughly equipped” means knowledgeable, especially when it comes to context and intent of the work.
(The more you know 🌈 ✨ ⭐)
Not “every single sentence is a direct command necessary to adhere to the faith.” That would be, obviously, ridiculous. (And extremists who insist on such, are indeed dangerously silly people.)
Tons of the Old Testament is just genealogy and records of law of the time. I’d hope you wouldn’t read a history book and conclude that the authors intended you to live by Hamurabi’s Code, or that they themselves endorsed slavery because it was recorded. Yet we still can derive a lot of wisdom from knowing about these things.
Sorry I know Internet doesn’t convey tone but I don’t mean to sound like, grouchy or anything. Just making an appeal to reason is all.
Hope you have a good one. :)
I’m not giving you my particular interpretation, only sharing why the “good book” is used as an instruction manual by those who do so.
Also, the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit gives them infallible wisdom from God, so that they have spiritual discernment and knowledge.
(the magic bird imparts no such wisdom)
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. ~1 Corinthians 2:12-17
I was happier not knowing this
We should all be educated on the books these eejits derive their beliefs
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As if the ancient greeks didn’t absolutely rape boys too
It’s a pot calling the kettle black situation if you’re comparing the Greeks to the Christian Church, especially in the early days
I mean, if the ancient Greeks did it, it must be fine
Its where alpha and beta comes from. Perfect representation of masculinity
nope
“Alpha” and “beta” originated from a crappy study on wolves, where the researcher was researching hierarchy in wolf packs, but it was not a wolf pack but random groups of unrelated captive wolves. They came to the conclusion that there are “alpha male” wolves hierarchically above the “beta male” wolves. The study, despite being retracted by the publisher and denounced by the researcher, is widely viewed as fact. (source)
The toxic “masculinity” crowd then took this and started using “alpha male” to refer to “masculine” men and “beta male” to “insufficiently masculine” men. The neologism “sigma” was created in parody of this, with people claiming to be a “sigma” and thus above “alphas”.
I meant literally, like the letters. Not the toxic masculinity
those arent really relevant tho
I hate this so much that I can’t even think of what to say about it.
Was looking for any kind of context that would somehow make it even slightly less-outrageous than the headline indicated.
It was worse.
slough has a reputation to keep down
Thinking of Betjeman as I read that.
These organizations are weird as fuck. Raping people is evil, regardless of anything else.
The Mountain of Fire and Miracles Daniel Centre Church
With a name like that, you know they’re fucking nuts.
I’d be surprised if they said something sensible. Found this plan they have on the article:
“In Jesus name, Amen!” Like it’s some form of magic words such as “abracadabra”
That word salad gave me Time Cube flashbacks.
wow that takes me back
Feels like standard scam bait to me
Eh, no need to be racist. If this is a Nigerian church, then we’re probably being unfair towards them in this case.
Not racist, but not a fan of any organised religion, as most of them are pretty much money grabbing scams. I was just providing additional context as to provenance - could have been from anywhere and would have had the same response from me. Question becomes: would you have replied the same if I had said it was French?
not a fan of any organised religion, as most of them are pretty much money grabbing scams.
Bit of a strawman here. Generally, most churches aren’t and donate excess money to charity, or possess a historical building which needs to be maintained. My parish didn’t even break even for the past three years and had to lay off a few workers. You only hear about the money grabbing scams because you aren’t in this world, and that’s the news that gets out. “Church raises money for foodbank” isn’t really headline news versus this headline.
To answer your other question: people tend to look down on African and Asian cultures thinking that they know better than their “savage” ways. In reality, Nigerians tend to just have a different cultural attitude surrounding homosexuality, and this comment was likely something stupid that originated from said clash of cultures. We can’t really say definitively that there are superior cultures, as that goes into racism.
Yours is the straw man. I said religion, you talk about an individual church. Different things.
The only headlines for religion are the bad news ones. Rarely hear about religions actually giving their money away. Individual churches might, but the religion as a whole - nah.
Throughout history religion has just been a way to consolidate power and dominate populations. They have been responsible for some of the worst atrocities ever committed, and generally take from those who have the least whilst promising a glorious afterlife if they can suffer in this life.
Even now the largest religion in the world still hoards their wealth like a venerable dragon sitting on their piles of gold, deep in their mountain lair.
Even now the largest religion in the world continues to hide and protect paedophiles within their ranks.
As for racism. I don’t care for it. I don’t like scammers, fascists, or liars though.
As to historical buildings. You did know that the largest religion in the world is one of the wealthiest entities, mainly due to convincing lots of the poorest people in society to donate what they can’t afford so that the church doesn’t have to spend.
Rarely hear about religions actually giving their money away.
Yeah, because it doesn’t get as much clicks online.
Committed Christians donate almost five times the UK monthly giving average.
Individual churches might, but the religion as a whole - nah.
What does this even mean. In terms of Christianity, it consists of individual churches. Sure, some are under a bishop in an episcopal structure, some are in association in presbyterian structures, some are independent and run by their congregations. Then there are different communions, but Christianity is a pretty decentralised religion. In a secular sense, there is no CEO of Christianity. Christians would hold the position of course that it’s God Himself, but from a secular viewpoint, they’re all individual independent churches, generally structured differently.
Throughout history
religionsociety has just been a way to consolidate power and dominate populations. They have been responsible for some of the worst atrocities ever committed, and generally take from those who have the least whilst promising a glorious afterlife if they can suffer in this life.Ftfy. People have done this in the name of any ideology, political, religious, or even anti-religious. And even if you’re anti-theist, or atheist, that’s still a religious position. And people have used that to kill and control as well (ie, politicians trying to reduce religion so people will surrender their religious morals and adapt political ones). You’re acting as if “religion” is just one behemoth everything-is-the-same, it really, really isn’t. Some religions have their adherents go and deprive themselves in a monastery, some have their adherents proselytise. Some have their adherents give all to a good cause, some have their adherents work for them. Some religions have a human leader, some are a movement using a sacred philosophy. And there are many in-betweens and mixing of these concepts. Your view on this whole subject is very uneducated, shallow, and reddit-y.
Even now the largest religion in the world still hoards their wealth like a venerable dragon sitting on their piles of gold, deep in their mountain lair.
Okay, where is this pile of gold exactly? Who’s benefitting from it, considering this religion has no earthly leader. Considering that the charitable work they carry out is world-renowned as well, is a very interesting claim you’re making.
Even now the largest religion in the world continues to hide and protect paedophiles within their ranks.
- A lot of them have been convicted and exposed, so not necessarily.
- Every organisation does this. Businesses, political parties, etc. It’s not unique to religious institutions at all.
As to historical buildings. You did know that the largest religion in the world is one of the wealthiest entities, mainly due to convincing lots of the poorest people in society to donate what they can’t afford so that the church doesn’t have to spend.
Hate to break it to you, but the scammers aren’t operating out of historical buildings. They’re operating out of bland conference centres and repurposed sports arenas.
This exact Church I’ve looked up is operating out of a community centre. The photo in the article shows a sports hall as their nave.
I doubt St Barnabas’s Parish in the village of Dibley with a total of ten parishoners is going to be able to approach The Mountain of Fire and Miracles Daniel Centre Church for funds to fix their roof.
In conclusion, you should make a business out of selling strawmen. Or maybe one teaching people how to talk about a subject they don’t understand and haven’t done an ounce of research in… Although for the latter, you’re pretty poor at that.
This was such a well thought out comment I’m grateful you made it
Lemmy is so much better than reddit what the heck man lol
lmao
I love this platform
Your majesty, as head of the Church of England, perhaps you could engage in a bit less blasphemy.
Using the Lord’s Name in vain is blasphemy
Having the word “Church” in their name was a dead give away
as Christopher Hitchens pointed out, putting the word Pastor or Reverend in front if peoples names letss then get away with saying the most horrible, hateful hurtful stuff that wouldn’t see then banned on many Lemny instances without being called out and shunned for it. To wit, Hegseth’s hate preacher
So I looked up the video mentioned in the article. This just sounds like someone who is insane and/or trying to garner attention from religious hysteria. Even after this article’s publication, the video mentioned in the article has 397 views and only 7 likes, so it doesn’t seem like anyone cares who these people are.
It can also be helpful to realize, doomer headlines like this one about nothing-assholes are common on opposite political spectrums too. There are probably some liberally minded feminists who have given horrific takes like “We should just round up every white man born in a red state, and dump them all in a landfill, with no trials.” And as stupid and evil as that is, some news site has probably quoted them to make manosphere centers feel even angrier towards “evil feminists”.
Yep. This is just one of those aspects of the internet era. I’m certain people publicly said far worse than this in every nation, and they were shunned and their words never made it into a printed article. I know far worse claims that have been published on YouTube and also never got an article about them.
Now there is the aspect that this is an organization registered as a charity. I can’t speak for the UK, but in the USA, it’s very easy to form a registered charity organization if you are willing to bind yourself to the limitations of such. It’s not something that a government department head signs off on, or a parliamentary body votes on. It’s usually an accounting operation and a rubber stamp.
Sane Christian charities trying to desperately bandage humanity’s hemorrhaging across the globe? Not even newsworthy.
An insane whackjob makes a video screaming hot takes into the void and claims to be a believer?
The Internet: “SEE THIS IS WHAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE LIKE! I knew I was right to hate anybody different from me !!11one”
The Catholic church alone owns 170 million acres of land, and an unimaginable amount of stolen wealth acquired over centuries.
It appears that, after the charity is done, they make a substantial profit.
Sadly, in the USA and many other countries, the secular taxpayers have to shoulder the burden of their “charities” that somehow make them filthy rich.
ragebait. the whole website is ragebait.
Yeahhh, check that dudes hard drives
Drug test him and the communion wine too while you’re at it
Dudette’s hard drive, let’s not misgender here. I hear they like that.
In the wise words of Kel Mitchell, “I’m a dude, he’s a dude, 'cause we’re all dudes. (Hey!)”
i mean, let’s open that can of worms. i’ve been using dude gender neutral my entire life. my wife is a dude. i’m enby though, so i might be projecting a bit i will admit.
Alright, that’s fair I guess. I can see it be gender neutral, I’m just used to it referring to guys. Plus, I like the way dudette sounds.
i mean, i know someone who got their phd in linguistics making a graph of “how do people pronounce [i forget what the word was] here” in the US [edit and Canada i forgot they went up to Medicine Hat for part of the study]. someone else with “do you call it soda, pop, or soda pop (shut up atlanta you coke fiends you don’t count)”. maybe they were masters degrees and their phds were something else i forget this was decades ago. i don’t know enough of the prereqs, but “is dude masculine or gender neutral” would be a fun study and maybe pay for me to go back to college for a decade. (because i would need to learn more than hobby linguistics)
England stamp this evangelical shit out now while you can!!!
just send them over here to statesia we are about to stupid ourselves to death anyways
This warning can’t be dire enough.
Yeah I am the one who made the comment that person was commenting to. I know about evangelical Christians all too well. I am a white boy in the South.
